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Yeah, Goku used his full base power to contend with Uub. We've known this for quite some time, but it's still nice to have additional sources surely.

BoG

Goku was able to surpass Gohan in 4 years time.

Definitely not. Transformations still warrant the same exact boost as before. Goku has just gotten tremendously stronger.

Who wins?

I'm inclined to believe Toyotarou is indicating that these two would be equals. If this is the case, we run into some interesting situations... Ssj Goku (BoG) = Kid Buu = Ssj3 Goku (Buu Saga) > Ssj Gotenks (Post Rosat) This means Super Saiyan 3 Goku in the Buu Saga is far stronger than we...

Well I think the standard is that the power level list should match up with the creator's power chain logic. Consistency is everything. We run into problems where the numbers mess us up and put bias on us to change our power chain logic, that's the major thing to watch out for.

Have you included this power chain into your power level list?

Yeah @ahill1 I've looked at that and used to use it as evidence that Gohan was a SSJ2. But yeah, the meter barely moves something like 47 to 51, if that.

So do you go by SSJ Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan?

If I can get people to accept Super Saiyan Vegeta > Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, I'd say my job is done. I don't really argue that issue if my fellow debater is willing to swallow that one. That is one extreme position to hold. Toriyama has given us plenty of evidence to suggest he's quite the...

We know he can't be that weak compared to Goku. Goku was severely weakened by the time he filled up the Buu meter. This confirms Gohan is at least somewhat relative to Goku.

Looks like a wash to me. Only thing that stands out to me is that Vegeta can catch up to Trunks so easily.

Put some panels up for comparison. Piccolo traveled a lot further than Cell did, no?

Agreed. Trunks is not 10x faster than Semi Cell, he's probably not even 2x faster. Are you trying to make a direct comparison of KK Goku > Nappa by more than G2 Trunks > Semi Cell? Because that I agree with.

He did need just a bit more time. Imagine KK Goku chasing Nappa and just before he catches him, Vegeta kicks him. It's basically the same scenario I believe.

He was just about to outspeed him though.

Yes, Trunks transforms, boosting his power and speed so he can catch up to Cell. Freeza outspeeds Piccolo. Not sure what's the issue here. How about this, what is the underlying issue you are advocating for? There's something else here that you are trying to get at?

Yeah, Trunks delays his descent even further by having to transform. He would have definitely taken Cell out before he could absorb 18.

I have to disagree with you here. It looks like he'd reach Cell in time to stop him from reaching 18. Without Vegeta, Trunks stops Cell from absorbing 18. That is the ultimate win here.