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Yes, there is a misunderstanding. I'm saying, due to your narrative, Piccolo would consider the Final Burst Cannon level of amp, ON NAMEK, to be pitiful. How odd would it be for Piccolo to be thinking about how weak Vegeta's amp was on Namek? Even in retrospect. That would be the most insane...

Oh ok, now we are cooking. So you boost Goku up at the Saiyan Saga?

Well, I'm trying to help SSJ2's argument. If you think Kamehameha >>> Galick Gun, that means on Namek, Piccolo thinks Final Burst Cannon is a pitiful amp. That's your new narrative.

Yeah, I agree. Also, Piccolo being so much weaker than Kid Gohan probably factors into his accuracy as well. Lol, basically I always had Goku at 96% and never considered the possibility he could be 93% haha. I think it's possible.

Majin Vegeta might be stronger than Kid Gohan.

We always keep this gap miniscule, perhaps it's a bit larger than we thought? I usually have it at 95-96%, but I think something like 93% could work as well.

It’s unlikely for Goku’s Kamehameha to have gone a radical improvement from 23rd Budokai to Raditz. Remember, going from 1.33 to 1.5x brought about a whole new name change, is treated like a completely new move. But then to go from 1.5 to 2.22x occurs with a whimper? Nah… Galick Gun is 1.33x...

Exactly.

That's what Piccolo's statement implies. Previous saga amps were trash to current saga amps. I'm talking about the specific amp he used against Freeza. The idea that the Galick Gun is a pitiful, piss weak amp is what you'd have to accept.

Well we know he's weaker than CG Gohan for sure. I think its about 5-6 years or so.

The amp would be the same. So you think narratively speaking, Piccolo would pish posh the Final Burst Cannon if Vegeta used it in the Androids Saga? Like if Vegeta instead of using Big Bang Attack and used Galick Gun, Piccolo would be all "Oh that attack is piss weak, dawg"? Ok and I'm asking...

How is ignoring logic realistic? I stick with the in universe logic over some thrown together numbers that had no plan.

What is shown is that Final Burst Cannon holds an impressive amplifcation. It's beyond the battle powers. It's a narrative element. Are you saying Piccolo considers Goku's Kamehameha against Freeza to be pitiful?

Who wins?

Yeah, I think that's our only option here.

They specifically left out naming the boost size for Ssj2 and Ssj3, I’d say that’s a hallmark of a good guide.

Is the Viz line accurate?

It's like what 2nd Form Freeza did. He revealed a smaller portion of his available reserves then he actually had.

Shin is complete awe of the Base Saiyans. Android 18 can probably one shot him.

Dude, this isn't a real argument. That promotional material ends all of the nonsense with the Grade 4 = 500x but it also ends the nonsense that Super Saiyan is 10x either. Our best bet is to keep Base Gotenks power implications as hype/gag as intended and apply the 50x Super Saiyan boost all the...