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I don't look at it like that. I look at it like Super Saiyan 2 is a just a by product of his rage, his rage would be the same, it's merely expressed as SSJ2 because his other forms can't handle such power at this time.

Which Cell? FP PC?

Sure, but there are always specific issues that have not been fully understood This is one of them.

From when Cell fights to when Vegeta says you aren’t serious

Yeah, I'm definitely leaning to that side, but I'd like someone to tell me what exactly is happening in Round 1. Is Cell truly only at that level and just puts up his defense, intentionally not trying to fight?

Truth is truth. Lack of evidence does not distort what is truth. It can make proving it much harder, but anecdotal experiences are plenty real and happen everyday.

Not all things that can't be proven didn't happen. If you met a celebrity and had no proof, did you meet the celebrity?

No, Cell's power is stated to have dropped post barrier in the anime at least.

Yes that’s the idea. I saw the boogeyman now I’m just trying to prove it to people who refuse to believe in the supernatural. How does one go about doing that?

How does Vegeta know he’s not serious

So to reiterate my stance. There's a lot of weirdness going on here, because on one hand, everyone is acknowledging Gohan is superior to Gohan. And it's not by a small margin either. Think about how much stronger Gohan is over Goku. The anime leads one to believe that Goku at full strength has...

The only problem here is that the boogeyman is literally under the bed, but he does happen to be invisible and intangible. It just becomes extremely hard to explain things when they are hard to explain, it doesn't mean that they aren't happening.

Ok, sheesh, I guess we will have to through it with even more detail. Should be a fun exercise though. Let's go step by step. Krillen "Don't trust his current power output, he has hidden strength and he's far more powerful." This to me implies far more than merely suppression. This implies a...

We have to check the translation, but Steve Simmons implies something a bit different. "Now then, let me increase my speed like I really mean it!" I'd like to look at the translation again with Chat GPT if you don't mind @Dagon So here's what I think. Everyone is miscounting Gohan for his...

The anime has 16 make several remarks implying that. Vegeta can't feel the power because he's, well, Vegeta. As Krillen states. But Vegeta through fighting him realizes something is off. He realizes Cell actually has a lot more power. He starts fighting Cell frantically and so on, the narrative...

I'm confused? My position is that Cell is the same power the entire time. From the moment he arrives until the moment he powers up to exceed Goku's FP.

According to Steve Simmons, Cell says something different. "Now then, let me increase my speed like I really mean it!" That definitely changes things.

Well, why would his warm up go down? Generally when villains raise their power, they don't reduce it.

Do you think Cell ever fights at the level 16 sensed?

Ahh yes, sorry about that. Yes, you raise a good question. Perhaps it truly is only a speed increase initially like others have mentioned. I'm starting my Cell Games analysis soon, so I'm looking to discover the truth. So basically Cell's power against Gohan shouldn't be so much that it...