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Well Goku wasn’t outmatched by much it’s that his ki has dropped substantially while matching Cell.

Alright fair enough, looks like we've exhausted the topic. Yeah, the anime may even have it as... Warm up Goku = Expected FP Goku > 50% Goku The manga definitely has it as... 50% Goku > Warm Up Goku = Warm Up Cell > Super Vegeta imo

I just checked the manga. It's completely different from the anime. The anime implies that Warm-Up Goku vs Cell is their top powers. Everyone is judging that to be the case. This would completely destroy my narrative and the anime is very accurate in how I view things many times, just not here...

Krillen's statement isn't about Grade 3 though. Cell's power is ambiguous to the Z team, Goku seems to have the inside edge here on how strong Cell really is, the Z team is expecting more from Cell, we just don't know how much more. Goku's statement to them doesn't necessarily increase their...

Yeah bro, I've been home with Covid for two weeks. My game is tight right now. I've watched from the Trunks Arc to the Cell Games. I did the dub first and then I use triple speed to check the subs, feeling like I'm a Z genius right now haha

Yes, but indirectly. Goku doesn't know Grade 3 Trunks strength. But he knows his own 100% power and he knows Cell's full power goes beyond his own. And we know from Krillen later without a doubt that FP Goku > Grade 3 Trunks. That's the thing. I don't think Cell is showing off, this is his...

Yeah maybe. You are taking things more seriously lately. I like it. You’ve been making a lot of great points

But they act like he will lose eventually, not that he's totally done... Hmm

Am I? How am I using Goku's quotes to show 50% > All? I feel like I am going in with that assumption, but how is it effecting the quotes? Yea, it's entirely possible, but I feel like Goku can read through it either way and I don't think suppressing all the time is all that necessary. I think...

You are right @ahill1 He's more or less using an all out gamble. Ki can drop very rapidly out of nowhere. But... Goku is seen as the strongest when he quits, no? Vegeta seems to think so and he thinks the sensu is an atrocity so he's not figuring that in.

I believe 50% Goku for two main reasons. First off, when he shows up, he just puts everything on blast. 50% Goku showcases the highest power ever seen in the universe and I believe that is how the author intended it. We never see people get shook like that and the power not be way beyond them...

Great points

Broly shouldn’t be too much stronger than Goku. Goku’s not scared and seems ready to take care of business in both movies.

I agree, I apply a 1.2x amp on top of his boost. This is good. Yep, perfect. Can’t be true since we know FP Pc would easily defeat Ssj Kid Gohan let alone Ssj Teen Gohan. There’s no such things. He’s either Super Saiyan or beyond. He’s not beyond against Dabura. Yes Teen Gohan > Kid...

I think so, it’s wrong though. He’s definitely like 100% a Super Saiyan. I researched this thing like crazy, I finally got the answer.

Yeah that looks good except for Piccolo of course. What do you have RoF Gohan at 55?

I hear you. There's a reason I usually keep Vegeta at only 60% of Goku because of this scenario. Haha, funny, the second time "Vegeta's attack" actually works. I'm coming along this section in the anime, I'm looking forward to really figuring it all out. Trunks wants Goku to get a sensu and...

He's drawn as a Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta is clearly implied to be his superior.

For sure. But Tyson may have had a long lay off, it might have been a stylistic thing, before I'm ready to say Francis is absolute top tier I need some more evidence. Anyone can have a good night, let's see him follow up first before we crown him king.

It's so funny that you say this. I'm having the same feeling about you. I'm like, "Why is Dagon pushing so hard for this?" I'm assuming this breaks something important for you. I feel like you are fighting so hard to maintain a hold of your interpretation for whatever reason. That's so funny...