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It’s literally as clear as it can be. Your standards for evidence are too high. Literally says they are the same strength, I quote you’d accept in any other situation. Not also strong, just as strong. That’s the point Vegeta is getting across. Sure, but it got the point across. Kid Trunks...

He performed the same feat with Zarbon. Perhaps when a real fight happens fighters fight at a much higher capacity when it’s real.

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

Absolutely not. Vegeta implies he knows something that we didn't witness, which means it happened off screen and we didn't see it. Goku says that he told Majin Buu that someone stronger would come to fight him despite us not seeing it, it still occurred off screen. The standard you are...

It's an interesting question that we may not have the answer for. But not having an answer for that question does not invalidate Vegeta's statement. The burden of proof is on the side of the argument that Vegeta CANNOT know this, whereas the implication is that he already does. So until you can...

This is an invalid argument. The author is allowed to change previously conceived notions of his work. The author has decided to add to his work many years later, changing many people's ideas of what was into what now is. This is how it works. Your previous idea of what was is no longer valid...

Then Kid Trunks is closer to Vegeta than Zarbon was to Vegeta.

Are you suggesting that Trunks could have landed those in a real fight?

No, Vegeta specifically references them being the same strength. It's a specific statement, not a roundabout statement. Vegeta seems to be implying the Future Trunks 17 saw while within Cell. Since both 17 and 18 can see everything that was going on when inside of Cell. Yes, Vegeta implies...

Vegeta's statement implies he does know that 17 can see from within Cell. The burden of proof is on you to prove Vegeta does not know. This is an illogical point. He literally says "same strength". Then goes on to show strength on par with a Cell Jr. I mean, I don't know what more the author...

Super Saiyan kids. Stated by Vegeta, pre-ToP.

According to the Super manga, Kid Trunks (ToP) = Future Trunks CG. Stated by Vegeta. You can take this in a number of ways. Perhaps they've progressed slightly, perhaps they've regressed slightly. But the canon material is pointing towards them being a specific power at a specific time. There...

Vegeta does. Look at the context of the statement. If a first time poster sees me say, "ahill, you were better back in the day." This would imply that I didn't just meet you today, or at the very least, I was aware of your positions a long time ago. It would be weird for me to say such a...

Bring on those beautiful, gorgeous, decimal numbers, baby!

Awesome, I look forward to checking this list. And this is the best idea you've had in a long time, be well my brother.

530,000

He implies he does so he does.

I have Perfect Cell around 1,000x stronger than Mecha Freeza and Kid Buu about 10x PC.

Semi-Cell did not get launched at all. He completely tanked Android 16's punch, which would be a bigger feat then whatever you are referring to. "Trying to tank" is almost like an oxymoron. People just stand there and let someone whale on them. I think Reecome getting launched is what happens...

Is it possible for Ragehan to be behind the Buu Saga mess of having the Base Saiyans appear to be so preposterously powerful? If the kids are already around the Cell Jr level, but Pui Pui > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Base Boys, there is only one way to explain that. That Gohan's enraged boost stayed...