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Piccolo only started getting tired moments before Cell showed up. It still doesn't excuse Android 17 from not even attempting to block the attack and instead running away from the area. 17 doesn't lose stamina so if he wanted to get away from it, that means it's incredibly strong. But why make...

So god ki. Still not a godly aura, whatever that means.

This doesn't make sense. Kai doesn't apply to the manga. In the manga, Vegeta was barely 30,000. Android 20 implies he's stronger than 19, and Daizenshuu 7 confirms this. Vegeta and Trunks heavily imply Cell is stronger than the Super Saiyans but still weaker than the androids. Cell tanked...

Jaco and Gohan never fought the same person while looking similar in strength.

That's not implied, though. In the flashback, South Kaioshin isn't some ant compared to Dai Kaioshin.

Damn, then South Kaioshin is a fucking beast since he's even more powerful than Dai Kaioshin.

But the arc itself implies magic makes a fighter much stronger, doesn't it? Moro was physically weaker than Super Saiyan Blue but could beat them with his magic allowed. Same with Dabura and Gohan, and Babidi and Kaioshin.

It's unavoidable that Beerus is way stronger than Belmod and it'll keep getting bigger as the series continues. We just use the statements and feats given. It's stated SSJ Broly is stronger than anybody Freeza's encountered. Ultra Instinct exists in both continuities of Super so it wouldn't be...

When Broly turns Super Saiyan and makes that huge explosive wave, Freeza thinks to himself that nobody could beat him. He doesn't know Goku can't use Ultra Instinct at will so he would logically be including him.

SSJ Broly is stronger than UI Goku, who's stronger than Jiren, by a decent amount at minimum (according to Freeza). SSJ Gogeta was slightly advantaged against SSJ Broly at best, so you apply the Blue boost on top of Super Saiyan and you get the difference between SSJFP Broly and Jiren. It's...

Only on Namek. If Seven-Three had Earth Moro's power he would have been equal to UI Sign Goku, which was not the case as he got beat by Android 17 who couldn't faze initial Saganbo, who PSSB Goku crapped on.

Seven-Three was using Prime Moro's Namek power, which paled in comparison to the power he had when he came to Earth, as Moro himself admitted. Hell, a "smidgen" of his post-Namek power given to Saganbo was enough to heavily outclass all the Z gang and even come close to an Angel-trained PSSB...

Why is Golden Freeza that much stronger than Goku and Vegeta? Why is 17 STRONGER than Goku and Vegeta, even if you used the "almost as strong as us" line...? Fucking christ, jabroni.

She outlasts him even with a small power disadvantage.

Daizenshuu 6 is for the movies, you doughnut bum. Doesn't count for the manga.

Got it. Then I agree. Back then, I wouldn't have thought he was dozens of times stronger for sure. Neither did the people working on the manga.

Why would UE Vegeta be stronger than Beerus when beforehand, Beerus was still much stronger than UI Goku and we know he can also use UE? It would have been true even without Toyotaro's confirmation.

No, he is not. The anime does not matter one bit when talking about the manga continuity. Beerus and Quitela are shown to be the strongest and the author himself said Beerus is still stronger than Granolah, who became the strongest mortal in Universe 7.

He always was. Beerus and Quitela were the two strongest gods shown in the battle royale. Jiren was only stronger than Belmod and Belmod is one of the weaker gods. Broly was stated to be stronger than Jiren. Moro was stated to be stronger than Broly and Jiren. Beerus was stated to be stronger...

Yeah, you're trolling. Your reasoning is nonsense and you blatantly ignore shit. Moving on.