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He was brilliant in his field, but his fight with Piccolo is a good example of why his word can be subject to scrutiny. Despite being backed by computational analysis, he ended up overestimating his post-absorption power and underestimating Piccolo. The focus should be on Gero rather than Super...

Gero being the foundation of your argument is problematic for two main reasons: A) The inner workings of his absorption method are kind of a grey area, because although he absorbed ki from some of the Z Fighters, it's channelled through his mechanical energy source. So we're dealing with an...

Implications =/= proof, so that premise is already shaky. We can still discuss it if you're down. So what implications go against 50x?

Him thinking that in a particular moment isn't the same as establishing it as a hard rule. I've yet to see anything that firmly stands in the way of the boost being 50x. And there seems to be enough wiggle room in the way Gotenks' power is interpreted for it to not outright change things.

The idea that it reduced seems to enter subjective territory. People can believe whatever they want, but an official source ought to outweigh what you feel is an implication. Dragon Ball is a fairly simplistic story, and appears to not always have perfect logic (how shocking...). Best to build...

Don't see why the actual PLs within the series need to be ignored. Power levels are mostly a non-factor after the Frieza Saga anyways. Fan-made PLs obviously hold no authority, so I can see where you're coming from if that's what you feel is the underlying issue. To be fair though, even the most...

I'm open to using the official multipliers universally, while also acknowledging that storyline battles may not always reflect the sheer magnitude of massive power differences. The Frieza Saga is when the series really popped off with insane jumps in power, and they never looked back ever...

Yeah, GT takes a bit of inspiration from the films in some ways too.

Pretty sure OP is referring to the movie version of Hirudegarn, in which he made his debut.

@ahill1 If you're referring to distance being irrelevant, then agreed. Kinda disappointed that you decided not to expand on the Tien stuff that you brought up earlier. Could've been an interesting back and forth, but if you're not up for it, then that's your choice.

The first encounter ought to be a disastrous memory in Vegeta's mind. His world view was essentially flipped on its head, and he ultimately failed to get the job done despite trying everything in his arsenal. Goku got help, yes, but Goku himself was viewed as a lowly person by him, so vastly...

It appears that the issue here is that you've got expectations that we have no reason to believe Toriyama would strictly abide by or care about. It's also worth noting that your view, in and of itself, contains leeway for a different interpretation; for example, that the placement of the DB Moon...

You've yet to explain the correlation that drives that train of thought. How does distance link to composition?

@Super Saiyan On top of what the others said, even if you believe that the destination time differs, that doesn't speak volumes about the internal properties of the DB Moon, which your question related to. @ahill1 Let's dig into what you said earlier about Tien. Is your premise that Tien's...

Well the standard conclusion would be that there's no difference unless we're given a reason to contemplate or consider otherwise. The viewpoint that requires the least assumptions is what's ideal.

Contextually, Roshi doing any further damage would've been completely unnecessary. Besides, an increase being astronomical doesn't make it any less real; why should your subjective limitation to a character's capability take precedence over visual evidence?

This is the default position since he obliterated the damn thing. King Piccolo and Goku (KP Saga) would be in this tier at bare minimum since they scale beyond him. For those that don't take the feat seriously, or just want to play devil's advocate, let's discuss it.

Going off of how GT narratively starts, and its occasional showings of past scenes, it seems to just follow on from Z. Scaling-wise, we know Base Goku could swap hands with someone that is more impressive than Majin Buu altogether. We also see that same Goku clown on opponents (Baby Gohan &...

I only brought it up because ahill got confused by thinking Goten's ki would be lacking, which it wouldn't. Now he knows what to reference if necessary. They both seemed to have good stamina from what we saw when they were truly tested. Goku may get hungry, but even then, he was able to fight...

@ahill1 Equal conditions just means they will have the same power and speed for the match. Outside of that, they'll have the same capabilities as the versions chosen, so Goten's flying ability still corresponds to what we saw from the Trunks fight. In terms of energy reserves, just think of...