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Given that the 50x Super Saiyan multiplier is referenced in the GT Perfect Files, I'd argue that the statement you're referring to was an understatement and that nothing actually changed. Villains don't exactly have a good track record for judging the extent of Super Saiyan increases, like when...

Saying that Baby need not be that level doesn't really provide a counter argument. His own words give us reason to think he's the new benchmark. Vegito's level of competition wasn't even at Base Goku's level, and we saw how Base BV comfortably handled him in SSJ3. Your Jiren callback doesn't...

No need to get caught up in technicalities. Baby can be boasting and happen to also be right regardless of what he knows. It's a classic villain moment of declaring absolute superiority, which seems warranted in this case. Super Saiyan 3 is just a multiplier, and a state that Baby is well aware...

He's a sambo specialist, with competent striking. You can get an introduction into what he's about by his career highlights. Stylistically, he was a nightmare matchup for everyone in his division at the time, similar to his training partner Makhachev, the current lightweight champ.

Goku's statement can be true independent of Baby's quote. With Vegito, are you referring to the 'perhaps' greater than SSJ4 quote?

He retired 29-0. These days, he weighs over 200lbs and can train without having to worry about severe weight cutting like in his fighting days. Most sources list him as 5ft10 with 70 in reach.

The thing about Baby's quote is that it's extremely devalued if Vegito was the actual greatest of Saiyan power, but simply didn't show it all. Think about it this way. You have a racer that narrowly beats the fastest time on a circuit, then claims to be the best. Seems okay, in a vacuum...

Takedowns can be pretty quick, actually - even amongst two wrestling specialists. There isn't always an in-between moment of grappling. And grapplers, especially the top of the top, constantly think of ways to improve the position when there's resistance. If anything, a bigger concern would be...

Presently, I don't see why SSJ3 Vegito needs to be any higher than Baby Arc SSJ3 Goku, who in base form, could contend with guys ahead of Buu. Base Baby would have a fight on his hands; he lacks in skill, but could outlast the fusion. Super BV1 overwhelms him, with Vegito being a bit of a pest...

I'd say Khabib gets it done. He knows how dangerous Tyson would be in a stand up fight, so he'd look to execute his wrestling quite early on. And once it hits the ground, Khabib would impose his will in a very dominant fashion. Tyson could irritate him by fighting dirty (e.g. biting), but they'd...

It appears that there are two main camps when it comes to Gotenks > Goku: 1) Those who think that trained Gotenks, even without transforming, is relevant or superior to Goku at his best. and 2) Those who think only Gotenks at his best exceeds Goku at his best. It's understandable why someone...

First of all, it's not just about absorbing the humans; Piccolo and Gohan were also on his radar, who are far more significant. Furthermore, Gero's thoughts may or may not be wrong. It's an aspect of the plot that was teased, but never materialised. To speak of the outcome with complete...

@ahill1 But when the storyline (in this case) doesn't display numerical differences he can go off of, then he has no reference point. Surely you understand that he's not conducting something that's factual; he's trying to represent his position as if it is, which is where the problem lies...

It appears that you've become so accustomed to your own way of thinking that nothing else matters. There isn't a single numerical figure presented for Gero or the others in the plot we're discussing, so you have nothing to draw from. The burden of proof is eternally on you.

When the story arc itself doesn't partake in numerical power gaps, there's no inherent reason to gravitate towards them. Plucking figures out of thin air does nothing besides serving headcanon; it has no impact.

@ahill1 Glad that you've re-evaluated your view to gain a wider understanding. Just wanna mention a couple of things: Destroying the battle ground is bound to catch anyone's attention in a very serious way. Not only is it massively unexpected for a contestant to go to those lengths, but there...

If you're only interested in creating numbers, then I'd recommend asking someone else. I don't find it necessary.

What you've done here is form your own thought on what Gero would and wouldn't do, then tried to pass it off as a fact. You've also been pushing a strawman, considering I never claimed that Gero would specifically sneak up on Vegeta by the time he's ready for him. If that's all you got, then it...

As you pointed out earlier, Gero acknowledged that Vegeta doesn't let his guard down, implying that sneaking up on him actually would require more power if he intends not to fail. Also, Gero didn't say anything was off limits once he gathers the power he needs, nor did he propose a particular...

@GreatSaiyaman123 @FeatsofPower Actually, Gero contemplated his options, then decided that the best form of action was to go back to the lab; he didn't like having to resort to that, but still deemed it the most logical choice. He then saw the Z Fighters in convenient spots, and then switched...