base Gotenks (post Rosat) vs SSJ3 Goku

[Kidbuu55]

And? Either people made Buu afraid or they didn't. What stands out is the claim isn't made before this, even though Gotenks actually faces Buu as an SSJ.

Why would it need to be made, if he didn't actually anger Evil Boo before as a SSJ?

What does his anger have to do with anything? Was Evil Buu's power said to rise when he got angry? I don't recall that anywhere.

Gotenks wasn't Evil Boo's equal as a SSJ, that much is clear.
Gotenks is strong enough to fight on par with Evil Boo after ascending and that angered Evil Boo, who prior to Gotenks ascending, had no equal.

How does any of this make SSJ Gotenks weaker than Goku?

This makes no sense.

Piccolo specifically chooses this period (SSJ3 Gotenks) to state that HE is now the strongest person Buu has fought. Evil Buu has only fought 1 person, so the distinction is meaningless unless he's counting ALL the people Buu has fought, including Goku.

If Gotenks is stronger than VEGETA after Rosat, due to leveling up (SSJ3) but NOT Goku, it's obviously impossible for him to be stronger than Goku in base form.

Not only are you twisting that statement to mean ''leveling up=gain SSJ3'', but also ignoring the fact, that that statement also includes ''others'', who could only be Gohan, Piccolo, Kaioshin and even the kids themselves, because they are the strongest fighters after Vegeta.
So according to you, SSJ Gotenks<Piccolo?

That's what's literally said. He does nothing to prove he's stronger than anyone, and no statement is made comparing his power to anyone else (or Buu's for that matter) until AFTER he leaves the ROSAT. Even then, it's not until he reaches SSJ3 when a comparison is made between his power and Buu's.

That ridiculous notion is not supported anywhere in the manga and clearly shows that statement was vaguely worded in order to hide the fact, that Gotenks surpassed Goku, because Daizenshuu is a guidebook to both the manga and the anime and the anime's bullsh*t shows Goku as Gohan and Gotenks' superior.

No it's not.

You're making WILD claims and literally have no basis for them. The Daizenshuu actually makes a distinction when it comes to the anime (and what happens in the anime) and the manga. It states with absolute clarity that Gohan is inferior to Goku (in Gohan's Bio)

Your whole arguement hinges on a non statement that isn't actually said by anyone, isn't actually confirmed to be true, and a comparison that was never made. Mine is based on what is shown, stated and what the supplementary material says.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

''What does his anger have to do with anything. Was Evil Buu's power said to rise when he got angry? I don't recall that anywhere.''

Boo being angry is why Piccolo said that statement.He was angry, because Gotenks was equal to him.


''This makes no sense.

Piccolo specifically chooses this period (SSJ3 Gotenks) to state that HE is now the strongest person Buu has fought. Evil Buu has only fought 1 person, so the distinction is meaningless unless he's counting ALL the people Gotenks has fought, including Goku.''

It only makes no sense, because YOU want it to make no sense.
No, Piccolo says it at that moment, because Evil Boo, who wanted to fight the strongest fighter in the universe, actually met his equal and was getting angry because of that fact.

Piccolo:'' Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”''


''That's what's literally said. He does nothing to prove he's stronger than anyone, and no statement is made comparing his power to anyone else (or Buu's for that matter) until AFTER he leaves the ROSAT. Even then, it's not until he reaches SSJ3 when a comparison is made between his power and Buu's.''
Except for the many facts, like the fact, Goku expects Gotenks to be strong enough to beat Boo, Piccolo not urging Gotenks into the RoSaT like he would if Gotenks was weaker than himself, Piccolo failing to catch up with Gotenks, the list goes on.


''No it's not.

You're making WILD claims and literally have no basis for them. The Daizenshuu actually makes a distinction when it comes to the anime (and what happens in the anime) and the manga. It states with absolute clarity that Gohan is inferior to Goku (in Gohan's Bio)

Your whole arguement hinges on a non statement that isn't actually said by anyone, isn't actually confirmed to be true, and a comparison that was never made. Mine is based on what is shown, stated and what the supplementary material says.''

Every statement, implication and logic completely shatter the notion of Pre-Rosat Gotenks being weaker than freaking Piccolo.
Piccolo calls the kids last hope before Fusion is brought up, yet a fusion of those two kids is weaker than him?

Gotenks' power pre-RoSaT is never compared with Boo's, because stating he is stronger than Boo would kill any suspense.


''It states with absolute clarity that Gohan is inferior to Goku (in Gohan's Bio)''
It states he has potentially greater power than Goku, which is what gets unlocked by Elder Kaioshin.

The same supplementary material bounces around making clear stamenents, by saying vague nonsense as
'' His power is greater than Super Saiyan 3.'' when reffering to Vegetto.

The guidebooks are full of vague statements, that usually just pretty much say the obvious, just vaguely bounce around making comparisons or even blanantly refference events, that didn't happen.

 

[Kidbuu55]

''What does his anger have to do with anything. Was Evil Buu's power said to rise when he got angry? I don't recall that anywhere.''

Boo being angry is why Piccolo said that statement.He was angry, because Gotenks was equal to him.

Andd false. Gotenks was upset that Buu wasn't weakening with his attacks, that's the context of the conversation. At no time did they state that Buu powered up, but PIccolo did mention he was "mentally shaken"

''This makes no sense.

Piccolo specifically chooses this period (SSJ3 Gotenks) to state that HE is now the strongest person Buu has fought. Evil Buu has only fought 1 person, so the distinction is meaningless unless he's counting ALL the people Gotenks has fought, including Goku.''

It only makes no sense, because YOU want it to make no sense.
No, Piccolo says it at that moment, because Evil Boo, who wanted to fight the strongest fighter in the universe, actually met his equal and was getting angry because of that fact.

Piccolo:'' Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”''

See my post above. Piccolo makes 2 statements:
1. This is the first time he fought someone strong like you - meaningless if Gotenks is the ONLY person he's fought. He's obviously including Goku fighting Fat Buu.
2. He's flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own - Gotenks is about as strong as Buu is.

''
''That's what's literally said. He does nothing to prove he's stronger than anyone, and no statement is made comparing his power to anyone else (or Buu's for that matter) until AFTER he leaves the ROSAT. Even then, it's not until he reaches SSJ3 when a comparison is made between his power and Buu's.''
Except for the many facts, like the fact, Goku expects Gotenks to be strong enough to beat Boo, Piccolo not urging Gotenks into the RoSaT like he would if Gotenks was weaker than himself, Piccolo failing to catch up with Gotenks, the list goes on.

Goku expects Gotenks to "manage something" which he repeats to Elder Kaioshin and Vegeta. At no time does he EVER repeat (or actually say) that
1. He expected Gotenks to win as a SSJ
2. He expected Gotenks to be stronger than himself

Beyond that, up until Buu arrived at the watch tower, PIccolo didn't state that he planned to put Gotenks in the ROSAT chamber.

''No it's not.

You're making WILD claims and literally have no basis for them. The Daizenshuu actually makes a distinction when it comes to the anime (and what happens in the anime) and the manga. It states with absolute clarity that Gohan is inferior to Goku (in Gohan's Bio)

Your whole arguement hinges on a non statement that isn't actually said by anyone, isn't actually confirmed to be true, and a comparison that was never made. Mine is based on what is shown, stated and what the supplementary material says.''

Every statement, implication and logic completely shatter the notion of Pre-Rosat Gotenks being weaker than freaking Piccolo.
Piccolo calls the kids last hope before Fusion is brought up, yet a fusion of those two kids is weaker than him?

Yet, when Buu reverts back from Fusion, Piccolo comes out strong and not the kids. Beyond that, Goku mentions that the whole reason why he wanted to make the gamble with Fusion (far before he even brought it up) was he saw the kids were gifted and had potential. Apparently Piccolo agreed with that assessment.

And one thing your forgetting. It doesn't say Gotenks surpassed ANYONE -ever.

''It states with absolute clarity that Gohan is inferior to Goku (in Gohan's Bio)''
It states he has potentially greater power than Goku, which is what gets unlocked by Elder Kaioshin.

The same supplementary material bounces around making clear stamenents, by saying vague nonsense as
'' His power is greater than Super Saiyan 3.'' when reffering to Vegetto.

According to dictionary.com, Potentially is an
"adverb
1.
possibly but not yet actually"

In regards to Vegetto, it compares him to Goku, stating that he is superior to SSJ3.

It's only nonsense because you don't agree with it, nor do you have a proper rebuttal to it.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

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[Kidbuu55]

''Andd false. Gotenks was upset that Buu wasn't weakening with his attacks, that's the context of the conversation. At no time did they state that Buu powered up, but PIccolo did mention he was "mentally shaken"''
Yeah.And the reason he was ''mentally shaken'', is because Gotenks was equals with him.

I know, I agreed on this.

See my post above. Piccolo makes 2 statements:
1. This is the first time he fought someone strong like you - meaningless if Gotenks is the ONLY person he's fought. He's obviously including Goku fighting Fat Buu.
2. He's flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own - Gotenks is about as strong as Buu is.''

Again, even if he is taking into account Goku and the others, Piccolo had no reason to bring up SSJ Gotenks' strength in relation to all the other fighters Boo fought before, because Gotenks didn't actually anger Evil Boo before.

Piccolo didn't make those comments BECAUSE of Buu being angry, he made them because Gotenks was upset.

The one time a statement like that is made, he actually does use Gotenks as a measuring stick.

Piccolo: “…You truly are strong…Unfortunately, NOT EVEN Gotenks there COULD defeat you…However, no matter how strong you may be, it is now impossible for you to escape here, for the rest of your life…”

Notice that no comparisons are made about power here?

''Goku expects Gotenks to "manage something" which he repeats to Elder Kaioshin and Vegeta. At no time does he EVER repeat (or actually say) that
1. He expected Gotenks to win as a SSJ
2. He expected Gotenks to be stronger than himself

Beyond that, up until Buu arrived at the watch tower, PIccolo didn't state that he planned to put Gotenks in the ROSAT chamber.''

''Manage something'' usually means ''be able to achieve the goal with some difficulty'' in the context of Dragon Ball, because stating ''can win'' or ''beat Boo'' would ruin all the possible suspense.
Such as:
Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.1-4
Context: after Kaioshin again warns against unleashing Boo
Vegeta: “I’m saying that this ‘Dabra’ guy doesn’t seem as bad as you two feared. Looking at his attacks and movement outside earlier, it seems that if we just watch out for his spit, then we should manage something.''

Yet SSJ2 Vegeta is most likely far stronger than Dabra.

If he didn't want to put Gotenks in the RoSaT, then obviously his power would be sufficent enough to have a chance at beating Fat Boo.

Again, Goku thought Gotenks would be able to manage something, but he wasn't specific on HOW. Obviously I'm not denying Goku thought that Gotenks would find some way to win though.

And once more, Evil Buu was formed and alive and Piccolo STILL didn't make a suggestion about ROSAT, it wasn't until Buu came to them that he mentions it.

''Yet, when Buu reverts back from Fusion, Piccolo comes out strong and not the kids. Beyond that, Goku mentions that the whole reason why he wanted to make the gamble with Fusion (far before he even brought it up) was he saw the kids were gifted and had potential. Apparently Piccolo agreed with that assessment.

And one thing your forgetting. It doesn't say Gotenks surpassed ANYONE -ever.''

Not only the kids were in base form in Boo's body, but Boo's appearance doesn't have to based on strength, as is shown when Boo absorbs Dai Kaioshin.

I'm not sure there is any distinction between absorbing them as SSJ/Base, as it's a part of their own power (unlike fusion)
And what about this Dai Kaioshin stuff? His heart is what had the most influence on Buu, and he wasn't counted as one of the four Kaioshin.

Like you said, Goku wanted to rely on the kids, because they were gifted and the Earth would need a protector.
How does that make them weaker than Piccolo or Gohan?

I think they are absolutely weaker than Piccolo and Gohan.

It doesn't DIRECTLY state Gotenks surpassed anybody, but his power was never directly compared with anybody's.


''According to dictionary.com, Potentially is an
"adverb
1.
possibly but not yet actually"

In regards to Vegetto, it compares him to Goku, stating that he is superior to SSJ3.

It's only nonsense because you don't agree with it, nor do you have a proper rebuttal to it.''

In the context of Gohan's bio, it's clearly reffering to his hidden powers, which have been mentioned and hyped since the very start of the Z portion.

It's nonsense, because it makes the characters look ridiculously stupid and nothing supports it.

Gotenks is weaker than Piccolo?Why does Piccolo then have a hard time catching up with Gotenks within the time limit of the Fusion?
Gotenks weaker than Gohan or Vegeta?Why doesn't Piccolo send them in the RoSaT then?
When a Boo, who's too much for Gotenks, shows up, he immediately sends them to RoSaT, which is what Fat Boo would be to Gotenks, if he was weaker than Gohan or Vegeta.

Yeah, all your doing is repeating yourself and asking why Piccolo didn't make his intentions absolutely clear. He doesn't put the Boys in ROSAT when Buu appears and when Krillin makes a comment about "fusion being the strongest" he makes no correction - does that mean he agrees, or do we take his statement of "that would be nice, but.." to infer he has some doubts.

Much in the same way when Gotenks transforms, he doesn't send him to fight Fat Buu right away?

I try not to read too much into things and take them at face value. If the story and guidebook says that Gotenks didn't surpass Vegeta and the others until after ROSAT (and nothing said refutes that) I'm going to believe it.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

''Piccolo didn't make those comments BECAUSE of Buu being angry, he made them because Gotenks was upset.''
He still has a reason to make a statement like that, not like with SSJ Gotenks

''Notice that no comparisons are made about power here?''
There is a comparison, you are just ignoring it.
''NOT EVEN Gotenks over there could defeat you'' pretty much means Gotenks was the strongest guy to attempt to defeat Boo and failed.

''Again, Goku thought Gotenks would be able to manage something, but he wasn't specific on HOW. Obviously I'm not denying Goku thought that Gotenks would find some way to win though.

And once more, Evil Buu was formed and alive and Piccolo STILL didn't make a suggestion about ROSAT, it wasn't until Buu came to them that he mentions it.''

By the kids mastering Fusion, that's made clear.How else could they beat him?They would use the RoSaT for later, if a threat stronger than Boo arrived.
They still had that 2 days deal and Boo couldn't find them, so Piccolo had no reason to wake up and rush the kids into the RoSaT immediately.

''I'm not sure there is any distinction between absorbing them as SSJ/Base, as it's a part of their own power (unlike fusion)
And what about this Dai Kaioshin stuff? His heart is what had the most influence on Buu, and he wasn't counted as one of the four Kaioshin.''

That's an assumption on your part though.
His heart influenced Boo, even though he was weaker, so the strongest doesn't have to appear.
Who says he wasn't counted as one of the Kaioshins?

''I think they are absolutely weaker than Piccolo and Gohan.''
SSJ Gotenks weaker than Piccolo and Gohan?

''Yeah, all your doing is repeating yourself and asking why Piccolo didn't make his intentions absolutely clear. He doesn't put the Boys in ROSAT when Buu appears and when Krillin makes a comment about "fusion being the strongest" he makes no correction - does that mean he agrees, or do we take his statement of "that would be nice, but.." to infer he has some doubts.

Much in the same way when Gotenks transforms, he doesn't send him to fight Fat Buu right away?

I try not to read too much into things and take them at face value. If the story and guidebook says that Gotenks didn't surpass Vegeta and the others until after ROSAT (and nothing said refutes that) I'm going to believe it.''

He doesn't flat out state Gotenks is no match for Boo immediately, because again, that would ruin any possible suspense and is taking into account what Goku told him.

SSJ2 Gohan is not immediately stated to be stronger than Perfect Cell, does that make him weaker than Cell?

He first wants to test his speed, but would have had no issues with him fighting Boo, if Gotenks didn't spend most of his time flying around the planet like an idiot and wants Gotenks to be at his absolute maximum when he fights Fat Boo, because they were the last line of defense of Earth.
Piccolo was simply cautious with Fat Boo, given that he was told by Goku to be possibly stronger than what they could feel from him.

So just because the manga is relatively vague on Gotenks' strength, you are going to use the self-contradicting guidebooks, which make the characters look like total idiots and just sound ridiculous?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

 

[kriss-]

Uh oh... this again.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Base Gotenks pre < Piccolo doesn't make much sense. Piccolo was implied to be unable to stop them from going to fight Boo, and he called their ki incredible. That seems to imply inferiority. O̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶r̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶P̶i̶c̶c̶o̶l̶o̶ ̶<̶ ̶B̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶S̶a̶i̶y̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶o̶o̶ ̶a̶r̶c̶.̶

 

[kriss-]

Base Gotenks pre < Piccolo doesn't make much sense. Piccolo was implied to be unable to stop them from going to fight Boo, and he called their ki incredible. That seems to imply inferiority. O̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶r̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶P̶i̶c̶c̶o̶l̶o̶ ̶<̶ ̶B̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶S̶a̶i̶y̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶o̶o̶ ̶a̶r̶c̶.̶

Seems, could have been, should have been, none of this makes sense in a cartoon and it never will.

I just don't buy it.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Base Gotenks pre < Piccolo doesn't make much sense. Piccolo was implied to be unable to stop them from going to fight Boo, and he called their ki incredible. That seems to imply inferiority. O̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶r̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶P̶i̶c̶c̶o̶l̶o̶ ̶<̶ ̶B̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶S̶a̶i̶y̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶o̶o̶ ̶a̶r̶c̶.̶

Seems, could have been, should have been, none of this makes sense in a cartoon and it never will.

I just don't buy it.

k

To me, that is what is being implied.

 

[kriss-]

Base Gotenks pre < Piccolo doesn't make much sense. Piccolo was implied to be unable to stop them from going to fight Boo, and he called their ki incredible. That seems to imply inferiority. O̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶r̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶P̶i̶c̶c̶o̶l̶o̶ ̶<̶ ̶B̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶S̶a̶i̶y̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶o̶o̶ ̶a̶r̶c̶.̶

Seems, could have been, should have been, none of this makes sense in a cartoon and it never will.

I just don't buy it.

k

To me, that is what is being implied.

Tell me why it's proven.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”

Piccolo calls his power incredible, but still states that it is not enough to beat Majin Boo. If Piccolo knew this, he should've gone after Gotenks and stopped him, as he wouldn't want their last chance at saving the Earth to die. He didn't because even if he tried, he wouldn't be able to stop him.

Now, tell me why you don't buy it. @Saylé

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Goku one shots

 

[kriss-]

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”

Piccolo calls his power incredible, but still states that it is not enough to beat Majin Boo. If Piccolo knew this, he should've gone after Gotenks and stopped him, as he wouldn't want their last chance at saving the Earth to die. He didn't because even if he tried, he wouldn't be able to stop him.

Now, tell me why you don't buy it. @Saylé

The first mistake you're making is thinking that because Piccolo said his power level was incredible, it means that he's stronger then anyone who came before.

This is a fallacy.

Those two ideals mean completely different things.

Secondly, Gotenks left before Piccolo could stop him.

Lastly, the burden of proof still lies on you to prove Gotenks was so powerful.

I've been a-part of Dragonball forums for years now. I really don't think there is anything about Gotenks Pre-Rosat that you could argue that I already haven't thought of a counter for.

I'll link you to my thread about him specifically:

http://dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?t=3629

Please go over it. If there is something in the counter-arguments that I did not include, I'd like to hear it.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

The first mistake you're making is thinking that because Piccolo said his power level was incredible, it means that he's stronger then anyone who came before.

I'm not trying to say everyone else before is < Base Gotenks, I'm saying Piccolo < Base Gotenks. The comment by Roshi seems to suggest that his ki is much larger than everyone else there, mainly Piccolo. Additionally, there's this:

Spoiler

Piccolo seems to be overwhelmed by the amount of ki he is producing.

Secondly, Gotenks left before Piccolo could stop him.

Piccolo should've flown after him and restrained him if he was stronger. And, as we've learned from Vegeta:

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), 7.4
Context: after Vegeta dodges Kui's attack
Kui: Wh…when did you…?!”
Vegeta: “When my battle power rises, it means that my speed raises too.”

There are exceptions, but it is never stated that Gotenks is faster than usual for someone his power level. Gotenks was simply too fast for Piccolo to catch up to.

Saying pre-rosat Gotenks is > Majin Vegeta is a lot more debatable, but I think Piccolo < Base Gotenks is pretty clear-cut.

 

[Pakl]

Lololo SSjin Gotenks Pre < Piccolo

The trolling is good

 

[kriss-]

I'm not trying to say everyone else before is < Base Gotenks, I'm saying Piccolo < Base Gotenks. The comment by Roshi seems to suggest that his ki is much larger than everyone else there, mainly Piccolo. Additionally, there's this:

Piccolo seems to be overwhelmed by the amount of ki he is producing.

Not really. Gotenks doesn't look like he's producing Ki at all. They are just action lines to introduce him and make the moment appear more important then it really is.

Piccolo should've flown after him and restrained him if he was stronger. And, as we've learned from Vegeta:

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), 7.4
Context: after Vegeta dodges Kui's attack
Kui: Wh…when did you…?!”
Vegeta: “When my battle power rises, it means that my speed raises too.”

There are exceptions, but it is never stated that Gotenks is faster than usual for someone his power level. Gotenks was simply too fast for Piccolo to catch up to.

Saying pre-rosat Gotenks is > Majin Vegeta is a lot more debatable, but I think Piccolo < Base Gotenks is pretty clear-cut.

Power does not scale linearly with speed. The difference can be as high as 33%. So it's a reach on your end to determine that Gotenks was as powerful as he was quick.

Gotenks Base Pre was never intended to be anything significant and he wasn't shown to be.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Not really. Gotenks doesn't look like he's producing Ki at all. They are just action lines to introduce him and make the moment appear more important then it really is.

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.1
Context: after Gotenks is formed successfully for the first time
Kame-sennin: “Wh-what a storm of ki…! They did it! It’s a success!”

He was definitely producing a lot of ki, and Piccolo's reaction should speak volumes.

Power does not scale linearly with speed. The difference can be as high as 33%. So it's a reach on your end to determine that Gotenks was as powerful as he was quick.

There was never anything that showed a discrepancy between his speed and power. Goku was stated to be faster than Ginyu, but there is never any statement about Gotenks and Piccolo as far as I know.

 

[kriss-]

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.1
Context: after Gotenks is formed successfully for the first time
Kame-sennin: “Wh-what a storm of ki…! They did it! It’s a success!”

He was definitely producing a lot of ki, and Piccolo's reaction should speak volumes.

He's talking about how much more powerful he's become in comparison to where the kids were. Not that he's necessarily producing KI that's greater then a fully powered Piccolo.

Kuririn and Yamcha doubt his capabilities but give him the benefit of the doubt based on his confidence regarding his own abilities. Their blatantly stated doubts prove that reactions on their own don't mean jack shit.

Piccolo had no intention of using Gotenks Base Pre, he wanted them to defuse and try again as Super Saiyans. This also disregards your hypothesis that Gotenks was so powerful.

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P12.5
Context: After Gotenks takes off, saying he'll beat Boo
Kuririn: “He-he’s pretty haughty, but just maybe he re-really will be able to take care of [Boo]…”
Yamcha: “Ye-yeah…He sure seemed pretty confident…”

There was never anything that showed a discrepancy between his speed and power. Goku was stated to be faster than Ginyu, but there is never any statement about Gotenks and Piccolo as far as I know.

Nothing is said about his power being sufficient. All that's proven is that Gotenks is still a work in progress, hence why Piccolo was testing him out. Whereas Gotenks believed he was strong enough to take out Boo because he was so quick, this is blatantly stated.

Gotenks

So you can’t tell just from my speed just now? My super-duper incredible power…!

Speed and strength diff too greatly for one on it's own being used to justify the strength of the other in comparison to another fighter.

For your logic to work, you have to assume things that aren't stated or implied to be there.