Base Saiyans Power (Buu Saga)

[Natasha Romanoff]

I never got this bit. Videl can sense Ki just fine.

She also could tell that Gohan wasn't dead. Somehow...

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@FeatsofPower I think your only way out of this Boo Saga Base > Piccolo > Base boys/CG Vegeta funk is with the varying multipliers.

That or you can say fuck it and have Boo Base Goku > CG SSJ Goku… but that’s nasty.

 

[FeatsofPower]

It’s an inconsistency, TOEI can’t be fully trusted whereas AT, especially old AT can. So TOEI lines can be suspect at times.

So it’s logically consistent in this case to assume that Base Gotenks > Majin Buu is legit whereas Piccolo > Gotenks is not.

 

[FeatsofPower]

@FeatsofPower I think your only way out of this Boo Saga Base > Piccolo > Base boys/CG Vegeta funk is with the varying multipliers.

That or you can say fuck it and have Boo Base Goku > CG SSJ Goku… but that’s nasty.

Yeah it’s screwed man. Put some numbers together and let’s see what it looks like, let’s try your approach.
Could explain the big difference in Base Gotenks power as well

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I'm supposed to be a Freeza > Base guy right now, but EV is making some good points on Neo as always. Not sure.

SSJ multiplier got to be nerfed. SSJ Boys are Cell Jr level, but are Pre Rosat SSJ level at most. I don't even think the fight is such a big feat since they're on the losing end the whole fight. And if Base Boys ~ CG Trunks, then they can't beat Future Androids in base. SSJ Vegeta or Gingertown level is their ballpark.

Anyway, here's a simplified attempt. Base boys ~ 18 for simplicity's sake.

Base Boys/Android 18: 1
SSJ Boys/CG SSJ Vegeta and Trunks/Cell Jrs: 50
CG SSJ Goku: 75
CG SSJ Gohan: 100
Boo Saga SSJ Goku: 125

Base Goku: 50
Base Vegeta: 40
Base Gohan: 32

Yakon: 45
Pui Pui: 22.5
Shin: 20 (Pui Pui is pretty meh so Shin might not even be below him at all)
Piccolo: 15

But here's one thing I don't like: DBS says SSJ2 is a tenfold boost.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

@FeatsofPower

To be fair, there will always be inconsistencies, but you can't tell what you think it is and what it isn't without a valid reasoning behind, that's fairly arbitrary. In the anime of Kai, Kibitoshin also gets surprised at how Base Vegeta got overpowered by Kid Buu and said almost the same line, in the same scene, Vegeta questions himself how Goku could keep up with him and this is an scene translated into SSJ2 Vegeta getting pummeled as in the manga.

 

[FeatsofPower]

@GreatSaiyaman123

Are you using Super Saiyan as a 2.5x boost for the Adults? Also, why not take advantage of the boys using the rosat? That might help clear up some issues. Can you show me the anime line that says SSJ2 is more than 10x?

@Natasha Romanoff

Clear example of a TOEI throwaway line. Unfortunately that is the best approach. You'll have to pick and choose what is logically consistent and what isn't. You have to address who is saying it and what the implications are compared to what previously held logic is. It's tricky business. Which is why I always avoided a lot of in detail anime only talk. It's pointless because there's no actual plan, it's a free for all.

 

[MikaelHarding]

I think vegeta is around 90-95 for base given how he needed a majin boost for super saiyan 2 he was probably around base goku level or on par

gohan 60 or 75

Pui pui: 10

Regular saiyans: 0.5

Android 18: Above 100

Kaioshin: Above 100

Everyone else: 0.9-4

Piccolo: Above 100

 

[Goku9001]

@Goku9001

Either you're an idiot with a low IQ or you are using the most random logic ever agreeing with the stupid of Kenshi or Dagon on this XD (in the 2nd case I can't know for sure whether he has criteria or can think by himself), I can't tell. Hard to know what is happening here.

@FeatsofPower

So, just because of being a human limits her capacity of ki sensing? There's something also called intuition, buddy. Same reason as to why Bulma could tell that Trunks was still not as strong as Gohan in the future.

Piccolo's reaction to Gotenks losing is as inconsistent as Piccolo getting defeated unless they wanted Buu to be pissweak in this saga.

From what I can think of, you're not entirely agreeing with the stupidity of @Goku9001 just following the conversation.

I was literally clarifying what you were saying. Are you saying that your own logic is retarded?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I was literally clarifying what you were saying. Are you saying that your own logic is retarded?

No, assuming things in a random manner without knowing about others it is, which is what you were doing.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

@Natasha Romanoff

Clear example of a TOEI throwaway line. Unfortunately that is the best approach. You'll have to pick and choose what is logically consistent and what isn't. You have to address who is saying it and what the implications are compared to what previously held logic is. It's tricky business. Which is why I always avoided a lot of in detail anime only talk. It's pointless because there's no actual plan, it's a free for all.

I can't tell what you are talking about the line about Piccolo getting beaten or Base Vegeta being pummeled by Kid Buu and Kibitoshin stating even he is not a match?

 

[Goku9001]

No, assuming things in a random manner without knowing about others it is, which is what you were doing.

So your points are so retarded and incomprehensible that no one can understand them?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

So your points are so retarded and incomprehensible that no one can understand them?

No who is talking about my points? The fact that you used "he" to refer to me is what made your comment retarded.

But, I can give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you watched another person thinking what is not and it convinced you, then you got contagiated by someone else imbecility. Or maybe you're an idiot with low IQ all along.

 

[Goku9001]

No who is talking about my points? The fact that you used "he" to refer to me is what made your comment retarded.

But, I can give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you watched another person thinking what is not and it convinced you, then you got contagiated by someone else imbecility. Or maybe you're an idiot with low IQ all along.

I wasn't trying to call you out on your pronouns. I do it by instinct to almost every internet persona.

 

[Animelover5487]

I'm supposed to be a Freeza > Base guy right now, but EV is making some good points on Neo as always. Not sure.

SSJ multiplier got to be nerfed. SSJ Boys are Cell Jr level, but are Pre Rosat SSJ level at most. I don't even think the fight is such a big feat since they're on the losing end the whole fight. And if Base Boys ~ CG Trunks, then they can't beat Future Androids in base. SSJ Vegeta or Gingertown level is their ballpark.

Anyway, here's a simplified attempt. Base boys ~ 18 for simplicity's sake.

Base Boys/Android 18: 1
SSJ Boys/CG SSJ Vegeta and Trunks/Cell Jrs: 50
CG SSJ Goku: 75
CG SSJ Gohan: 100
Boo Saga SSJ Goku: 125

Base Goku: 50
Base Vegeta: 40
Base Gohan: 32

Yakon: 45
Pui Pui: 22.5
Shin: 20 (Pui Pui is pretty meh so Shin might not even be below him at all)
Piccolo: 15

But here's one thing I don't like: DBS says SSJ2 is a tenfold boost.

It was several tens of times.

I can't understand Super Saiyan being a low multiplier, otherwise why doesn't Goku just use Kaioken instead?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I wasn't trying to call you out on your pronouns. I do it by instinct to almost every internet persona.

But what do you did it was an stupidity, using an instinct is something that can only be expect from an animal.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Are you using Super Saiyan as a 2.5x boost for the Adults? Also, why not take advantage of the boys using the rosat? That might help clear up some issues. Can you show me the anime line that says SSJ2 is more than 10x?

Right, there’s the Rosat. But Base Gohan > SSJ Goten Pre Rosat doesn’t feel right. And remember Future Trunks does use SSJ to kill his Androids.

It was several tens of times.

I can't understand Super Saiyan being a low multiplier, otherwise why doesn't Goku just use Kaioken instead?

I forgot Super made Kaio-Ken a thing. Before it could just be argued to be plot.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Keep things civil and don't resort to petty insults. Failure to do so will resort in thread closure.

 

[Goku9001]

But what do you did it was an stupidity, using an instinct is something that can only be expect from an animal.

Okay. God forbid someone misgenders an anonymous person over the internet. I'm sure that hasn't happened before lmao.

 

[Goku9001]

It was several tens of times.

I can't understand Super Saiyan being a low multiplier, otherwise why doesn't Goku just use Kaioken instead?

I thought the "tens of times" stronger statement was just a figurative way of saying that Super Saiyan 2 Goku was much stronger.