Best Damn Levels in the Business!

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Son Goku and Friends


Pterodactyl
~ 17.5

Bear Bandit
~ 20

Kuririn
~ 30

Yamucha
~ Base Power 45
~ Wolf Fang Fist 50

Gyumao
~ 100

Son Goku
~ w/o tail 40
~ w/ tail 50
~ Great Ape 500

Muten Roshi
~ Base Power 150
~ Power Weighted 450
~ Kamehameha 600



21st Tenkaichi Budokai


Orin Temple Bullies
~ 40

Yamucha
~ Base Power 60
~ Wolf Fang Fist 70

Giran
~ 90

Kuririn
~ Initial 75
~ Full Power 100

Namu
~ 140

Son Goku
~ w/o tail 115
~ w/ tail 150
~ Kamehameha 200
~ weakened 50
~ Great Ape (weakened) 500

Jackie Chun
~ Initial 100
~ Full Power 150
~ Kamehameha 200
~ Power Weighted 450
~ Kamehameha 750




Muscle Tower


Colonel Silver
~ 75

Ninja Murasaki
~ 100

Sergeant Metallic
~ 135

Son Goku
~ Initial 140
~ Full Power 160

Android 8
~ 200




Red Ribbon Army


Kuririn
~ 100

Pirate Robot
~120

Bora
~ 125

General Blue
~ 130

Muten Roshi
~ 150

Black
~ 200

Tao Pai Pai
~ Initial 300
~ Full Power 350

Son Goku
~ Pre Training 180
~ Kamehameha 240
~ Post Training 400

Karin
~ 500


Uranai Baba's Tournament


Dracula
~ 50

Invisible Man
~ 55

Yamucha
~ Base Power 60
~ Wolf Fang Fist 70

Kuririn
~ 100

Mummy
~ 160

Devil
~ 250

Son Gohan
~ 380

Son Goku
~ Initial 240
~ Powered Up 280
~ Full Power 400




22nd Tenkaichi Budokai


Panputto
~ 200

King Chappa
~ 450

Chaozu
~ Base Power 525
~ Dodonpa 630
~ Super Dodonpa 700

Yamucha
~ Base Power 525
~ Wolf Fang Fist (2.0) 650
~ Kamehameha 700

Kuririn
~ Base Power 550
~ Untrained Kamehameha 625

Master Tsuru
~ 850

Jackie Chun
~ Initial 775
~ Powered Up 900
~ Full Power (Unseen) 1,150

Son Goku
~ Initial 550
~ Powered Up 900
~ Max Match Level 1,200
~ Battle Level 1,300

Tenshinhan
~ Initial 525
~ Power Up 1 700
~ Power Up 2 775
~ Power Up 3 900
~ Full Power 1,250
~ Kikoho 2,500




The Great Demon King Piccolo


Kuririn
~ 550

Cymbal
~ 650

Tambourine
~ 1,000

Yajirobe
~ 1,350

Son Goku
~ Weakened 850
~ Zenkai 1 1,500
~ Kamehameha 2,000
~ Zenkai 2 2,500

Demon King Piccolo
~ Initial 1,400
~ 40% Power 4,000
~ Full Power (Unseen) 10,000




The Great Demon King Piccolo (Flashback)


Tsuru
~ 1,500

Roshi
~ 1,500

Lord Mutaito
~ 2,000

Demon King Piccolo
~ 15,000




The Great Demon King Piccolo (Continued)


King's Guard
~ 500

Tenshinhan
~ 1,250

Drum
~ 2,000

Shen Long
~ 10,000

Demon King Piccolo (Youth Restored)
~ Initial 15,000
~ Full Power 24,000

Son Goku (Super God Water)
~ Initial 17,500
~ Full Power 25,000




Meeting God


Son Goku
~ 30,000

Mr. Popo
~ 50,000

Kami-Sama
~ 100,000




23rd Tenkaichi Budokai


King Chappa
~ 1,500

Yajirobe
~ 5,000

Chaozu
~ 7,500

Chi-Chi
~ 12,500

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai
~ Full Power 15,000
~ Super Dodonpa 20,000

Yamcha
~ Full Power 17,500
~ Wolf Fang Fist 22,000
~ Sokidan 25,000

Kuririn
~ Full Power 18,000
~ Kamehameha 24,000

Tenshinhan
~ Initial 25,000
~ Full Power 30,000

Shen
~ Initial 25,000
~ Full Power 80,000

Kami
~ 100,000

Demon King Piccolo Jr.
~ Initial 20,000
~ Power Up 1 25,000
~ Power Up 2 90,000
~ Completely Exhausted 125,000
~ Power Up 3 150,000
~ Full Power 300,000


Son Goku
~ Weighted Speed 25,000
~ Weighted Power 30,000
~ Unweighted Initial 40,000
~ Completely Exhausted 125,000
~ Initial vs Piccolo 150,000
~ Full Power 300,000
~ Super Kamehameha 450,000




Saiyan Saga


Farmer
~ 5

Muten Roshi
~ 1,000

Chaozu
~ 10,000

Yamucha
~ 27,500

Kuririn
~ 30,000

Tenshinhan
~ 40,000

Mr. Popo
~ 50,000

 

[ahill1]

Why is Invisible Man = Yamcha?

 

[p123]

Whoops, that's an error. Thanks.

 

[ahill1]

I think Roshi did show more than two powers at the 21st Budôkai. His initial power he used against Yamcha. Later, he increased his power to punch Kuririn and after it said he wouldn't make a limp punch as the last one. And later, he stated he'd have to be serious against Goku for the first time in a long time.

 

[p123]

Impressive aren't they? That's a damn masterpiece right there.

 

[ahill1]

Indeed.

Kuririn also forced Roshi to make a serious workout and to use his hands. Don't you think a 75% gap too big? I'd have it like 92% or so.

 

[p123]

I don't agree with that. I think Jackie was moving very nonchalantly and actually had to use some effort to dodge Krillen. We are seeing a lazy Jackie still dodge everything. Krillen merely was making him work for it. Jackie's first punch shows what happens when he actually puts some effort into what he's doing. That's how I view it.

 

[Pyro]

Better power levels: http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1263683

 

[ahill1]

I think Roshi just increased his effort to punch Kuririn. Firstly he seemed to jump and dodge Kuririn's attacks without much effort, but then, Kuririn surprises him with his high speed and forces him to use some serious level of effort and to use his hands:

Spoiler

 

[p123]

Ain't no one better bud. And it goes from beginning of DB too. Not many people do that. Agreed, ahill. Let me put it in easier fashion for you...

Jackie Chun (FP) 150 (when he decides to quit playing around and take Krillen out
Jackie Chun (Initial Max) the level he uses to match Krillen once Krillen can see his attacks.
Jackie Chun vs Krillen Initially, Yamcha, is clearly not using max effort.

 

[Future Warrior]

KKx2 Goku > Initial Vegeta?

 

[p123]

KKx 2 Goku > Initial Vegeta > Kaioken Goku

That's how I always saw it. I think AT just awkwardly wrote this part in. Vegeta's power up is supposed to be massive, going from 16,500 to 18,000 ain't cutting it for me. Kaioken being 1.5x Goku's base. Weird section of the story.

 

[SSJ2]

Probably referencing the Vegeta who was hiding his ki - who Piccolo couldn't even tell was above Nappa until Nappa obeyed him.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. Why not powering up Goku after 21st TB?
2. Why Metallic so weak?
3. Do you believe Tenshinhan didn't start all out against Goku?
4. Lower Cymbal to 450, so that Tambourine is at least 2x him. Or you could raise Tambourine to 1200, he'll still be far enough from Zenkai Goku.
5. Initial Water Goku should be closer to Initial Young Piccolo; they had a fight like Post Water vs Taopaipai.
6. You made an error having Weighted Goku equal to his Zenkai self, whereas Tenshinhan was clearly comparing him to the Goku who had fought
Piccolo.
7. Too big gap between Post Regen Coola and SSJs

 

[ahill1]

5. Initial Water Goku should be closer to Initial Young Piccolo; they had a fight like Post Water vs Taopaipai.

Agreed. I see it as being somewhat similar to Goku (powered up) vs Akkuman. 88% feels good here.

 

[p123]

1) Why does Goku need to power up after the 21st? He wasn't gravely injured as far as I saw. I give him bonuses when he recovers from near death and serious injuries. He was just fine after the fight.

2) Metallic shouldn't be too powerful. He was fighting a suppressed Goku after all.

3) No, Tien was able to see through Goku's technique laid a beating on him and then god wtf god stomped by Goku's battle power. I think it was a clear sign of Goku Battle Power > Tien Initial = Goku Match Level.

4) I think Cymbal > Krillen, Yamcha, Chaozu level. I think the many times stronger is not as important as making Cymbal reasonably strong.

5) I saw some of that, but then I saw some scenes that suggested Goku was well above. If you want, do a fight comparison and show both fights and we can discuss that further there.

6) Chapter: 177, P1.2-4, P2.1
Tenshinhan: “Son, you are truly incredible. 3 years ago, your strength was all but perfect. I’m amazed that you’ve managed to go so far above even that. However, there’s one thing that you haven’t changed that much from 3 years ago. And that’s something especially important in battle…speed!”

No error. Weighted Goku is stated to be more powerful than the Goku who fought King Piccolo. This is power levels, not speed levels.

7) Have you watched the fights? Post Regen 1 Cooler pulls off some disgusting feats against the Super Saiyans. He is literally choking Goku to death with one hand and all around abusing them. Go watch those fights again and tell me what you think. That's a 1.5x gap if I ever saw one. Some of the things he was doing was more impressive than Goku vs Ginyu Force.

 

[p123]

On Initial Goku vs Initial King Piccolo, that first block is big time. Goku, using one hand, blocks Piccolo easily. He's not even really bracing himself or anything. Piccolo and Co. are shocked. Catches his punch. That's another big feat. That first punch Goku lands is a big time punch, kind of reminds me of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan vs Power Weighted Perfect Cell. He's hurt rather badly by it as well. Piccolo landing that kick mimics the Tao Pai Pai kind of fight, but when Goku lands it hurts big time and follows up with rapid fire punching staggering Piccolo pretty badly. That ain't no Tao Pai Pai kind of gap from what I'm seeing.

 

[ahill1]

Goku seemed to kick Piccolo's chest, near to his neck, which he didn't recover in time. Piccolo's reactions towards it doesn't seem too different from Taopaipai's one when Goku punched him in the gut, already near to the end of the fight. Goku also did seem to have felt Piccolo's kick quite a lot and him recovering from it does seem similar to the way he recovered from Taopaipai's attack (in both situations using the environment to propel himself towards the opponent).

I think Goku was just more frenetic against Piccolo, not giving him any time to recover from his attacks and basically going full HAM. With Taopaipai he at least gave some pauses and laughed to his face a bit and allowed to be attacked.

 

[p123]

Could be the case, but from what I saw, Piccolo is getting fucking wrecked. One kick ain't going to cut it here for me. Feel free to start a fight comparison post if you want though.

 

[ahill1]

I agree that the first round does sound like there's a rather large gap. That punch Goku threw on Piccolo was a huge feat. The second round though... not so much from what I see. Goku is obviously superior, but Piccolo at least manages to hold off a little bit and can dodge and threw a successfully kick.