Cell Games Piccolo

[Kyo]

I just can't agree. Trunks is literally in the background with a mildly drawn :o face with those action lines that represent the most bare-bones of a reaction. People have really gone way off the rails calling this a "shocked" reaction over the past several years (not you in particular, but I can think of someone or two). If I were a first-time reader I would never look at that panel and think that Piccolo has surpassed Goku's last showing of power. I don't care how useless Piccolo is to Cell at the end of the day, that's still quite the milestone he has to step up to.

You have to show me an indication that they ever stop thinking of Goku as Cell's primary opponent (before they suddenly start thinking it again). When he exits the RST they look to him and this doesn't change by the time the CG rolls around. I have no reason to believe there's any hiccup in this. Occam's Razor dictates that Goku is on top, period. I don't really like to throw around absolutes like this, but if Piccolo was that strong then there'd have surely been a statement of sorts. "But...he's even stronger than when Goku powered up...." or, something, I don't know. Instead he exits the chamber, looks to Goku first, and tells Goku to stop jerking him around and just say that he's no good. Again, the Cell kid fight is the only reason I even put him as close to 50% as I do. I can personally still come to terms with the scene on the lookout if Piccolo is close to Goku, but below. Above? Doubtful. There is hardly anything in that scene that warrants such.

And no he's not in Vegeta or Trunks's league. The opposite is implied.

 

[ahill1]

Even if Trunks wasn't shown with a strong , it still was a reaction towards Piccolo's usefulness. So at least in Trunks' mind we'd still have Cell stronger than forethought. Sure, I can see that statement working alongside Piccolo being as strong as 50% Goku, as it'd mean Cell is just more superior than previously thought, but since Vegeta is considerably above 50% and I like to keep Piccolo as close as possible to Vegeta and Trunks, I see him being above Goku's previously shown power as working better. And I can see Trunks' reaction working alongside Piccolo > 50%. So whilst Trunks' reaction might not be by itself very telling, it alongside the fight makes Piccolo above the previously shown power fine to me.

Eh, he could be slightly lower than 50%, wouldn't have much problem with it. I just like to envision him as rather close to the SSJs that aren't Goku and Gohan.

 

[SSJ2]

I think he's =< 50% Goku.

 

[ahill1]

But if Piccolo were below 50%, wouldn't him be too far below a Cell Junior? How strong do you have a Cell Junior, in comparison to Goku?

 

[Pyro]

Vegeta is about 65% of Goku, making the Cell Junior about the same. Piccolo can be 40-45% of Goku and accomplish the nothing that he did.

Piccolo: 45
Vegeta/CJ: 65
Goku: 100

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta is about 65% of Goku, making the Cell Junior about the same. Piccolo can be 40-45% of Goku and accomplish the nothing that he did.

Piccolo: 45
Vegeta/CJ: 65
Goku: 100

Could he with that kind of gap?

 

[Pyro]

I don't see why not. It ain't like he did anything of note. He wasn't able to actively fight back like Vegeta and Trunks.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah, he was just standing. Goku did the same against 50% Freeza.

There actually is a panel where Piccolo is fighting his Cell Jr in the air and is even punching him. How reliable to you think this feat is?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The Jrs were just toying to them but even if they were serious later on, only Vegeta and Trunks were said to be fighting back not Piccolo so the green dude can be at least anywhere near to 50% Goku's level.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, he was just standing. Goku did the same against 50% Freeza.

There actually is a panel where Piccolo is fighting his Cell Jr in the air and is even punching him. How reliable to you think this feat is?

Goku was more damaged and breathing heavily after a few hits from Freeza, though. While it is true Goku couldn't be easily put down, his shape indicates it was a more severe beatdown.

 

[SSJ2]

But if Piccolo were below 50%, wouldn't him be too far below a Cell Junior? How strong do you have a Cell Junior, in comparison to Goku?

What did he accomplish against the Junior? Having him below 50% Goku doesn't change anything.

 

[Void]

He wasn't on the ground writhing in agony like the humans and Goku. Cell topd the Juniors to quit fucking around and Piccolo is still able to stand his ground. That doesn't work for me unless Big Green is at least on the level of "about half" CG Goku.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The earthlings didn't die and Goku was still conscious, so it doesn't look like the Cell Jrs were bloodlusted or anything like that.

 

[Void]

Lol Piccolo didn't die when imperfect Cell violated him. Goku didn't die vs. 50% Freeza. Kaioshin survived Fat Boo.

 

[Void]

Bloodlusted lmao

 

[Pyro]

So...?

 

[Victorious]

He should at least be on Perfect Cell's warm up level. I think he's slightly over 50% MSSJ Goku totally unweighted, a notch below Vegeta and Future Trunks post 2nd RoSaT.

As far as Z is concerned Piccolo is basically maxed out. So he's right there with Vegeta at the end of the Cell saga, but obviously dwarfed by him by 7 years later in the Buu saga. This IMO is why he chose to skip a 2nd trip.

 

[ahill1]

He should at least be on Perfect Cell's warm up level. I think he's slightly over 50% MSSJ Goku totally unweighted, a notch below Vegeta and Future Trunks post 2nd RoSaT.

As far as Z is concerned Piccolo is basically maxed out. So he's right there with Vegeta at the end of the Cell saga, but obviously dwarfed by him by 7 years later in the Buu saga. This IMO is why he chose to skip a 2nd trip.

Well, Goku also chose to skip a 2nd RoSaT trip and he was still far from maxing out... just like Gohan. Maybe Piccolo had hit a momentary limit.

 

[Victorious]

He should at least be on Perfect Cell's warm up level. I think he's slightly over 50% MSSJ Goku totally unweighted, a notch below Vegeta and Future Trunks post 2nd RoSaT.

As far as Z is concerned Piccolo is basically maxed out. So he's right there with Vegeta at the end of the Cell saga, but obviously dwarfed by him by 7 years later in the Buu saga. This IMO is why he chose to skip a 2nd trip.

Well, Goku also chose to skip a 2nd RoSaT trip and he was still far from maxing out... just like Gohan. Maybe Piccolo had hit a momentary limit.

I think if Goku goes back in RoSaT he's maybe as strong as MSSJ Gohan, that's probably as high as he'd get. He had certainly hit a plateau if not for SSJ upgrades, his SSJ is only about 10% stronger than MSSJ Gohan 7 years later after training in the afterlife.

Goku going back into RoSaT aint touching Full Power Perfect Cell

 

[ahill1]

He should at least be on Perfect Cell's warm up level. I think he's slightly over 50% MSSJ Goku totally unweighted, a notch below Vegeta and Future Trunks post 2nd RoSaT.

As far as Z is concerned Piccolo is basically maxed out. So he's right there with Vegeta at the end of the Cell saga, but obviously dwarfed by him by 7 years later in the Buu saga. This IMO is why he chose to skip a 2nd trip.

Well, Goku also chose to skip a 2nd RoSaT trip and he was still far from maxing out... just like Gohan. Maybe Piccolo had hit a momentary limit.

I think if Goku goes back in RoSaT he's maybe as strong as MSSJ Gohan, that's probably as high as he'd get. He had certainly hit a plateau if not for SSJ upgrades, his SSJ is only about 10% stronger than MSSJ Gohan 7 years later after training in the afterlife.

Goku going back into RoSaT aint touching Full Power Perfect Cell

It's possible. I also like to assume that Piccolo kind of hit a plateau post his RoSaT trip. He doesn't seem to have underwent a big power up during those 7 years. There's also the Daizenshuu entry stating Piccolo grew used to peace.