Dragon Ball Discussion

[GSM123]

For those who think SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai was retconed: Why Kaioshin remembers paralyzing SSJ2 Gohan? And who filled Boo's meter if Gohan never transformed?

 

[SSJ2]

Kaioshin remembers but Kibito doesnt. Rest of your post is irrelevant.

 

[p123]

Lol

 

[GSM123]

Kaioshin remembers but Kibito doesnt. Rest of your post is irrelevant.

Probably the worst answer i could have gotten.

 

[SSJ2]

Because it's pretty straightforward stuff, doesn't warrant a response.

 

[GSM123]

The answer was too straightfoward tho. You barely answered anything.

If Kaioshin remembers but Kibito doesn't, then how it's a retcon?

 

[SSJ2]

Ok well sorry.

Imo, Kaioshin remembering is overruled by Kibito not remembering. There is clearly a contradiction there. To address your "who filled Boo's meter", I don't find that to be relevant towards the retcon. Gohan's energy still filled the meter, it doesn't matter if it was SSJ or SSJ2.

 

[GSM123]

Yeah i thought "How the meter was filled" is irrelevant as well. It's like asking how things went out if we assume Ginyu was retconed to be > Zenkai Vegeta based on Freeza's statement.

Kibito not remembering is really weird. Even if Gohan was indeed SSJ2 on Dabra, Kibito should've remembered based on the Budokai stuff. It's not like Gohan got stronger between the Budokai and the Spaceship.

 

[SSJ2]

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11890

I just don't see a way around it tbh..

 

[GSM123]

Lmao

 

[GSM123]

Why doesn't Vegeta notes Gohan being far weaker when he transforms while going berserk on :bitch?

 

[Pocket-God]

How big of a gap do you guys usually put between weighted and unweighted Piccolo?

 

[Six Trails]

How big of a gap do you guys usually put between weighted and unweighted Piccolo?

Depends on which arc. Adrroid arc is 90% but Boo arc is 80%.

 

[GSM123]

Why doesn't Vegeta notes Gohan being far weaker when he transforms while going berserk on :bitch?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

No idea. If anything, that would go along with the idea of Gohan's general power remaining the same, with his Super Saiyan 2 being weaker because he could no longer gain power through anger. I believe the Daizenshuu says that.

Then again, Goku had no idea Gohan was even weaker and asked him if he had been training right before the fight with Dabra. So for as obvious as it was to Vegeta, the same can't be said about everyone else.

 

[GSM123]

Daizenshuu actually says he was weaker due to both lack of anger and training.

I can see the point being made for anger, but it makes no sense for only his SSJ2 form get weaker due to lack of training.

 

[Papasmurf]

Maybe he weakened so much that retaining the SSJ2 form for the 10 seconds he stood in front of Kibito drained his powa

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Can anyone tell me where people get the whole initial super buu, rosat and stuff?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Daizenshuu actually says he was weaker due to both lack of anger and training.

I can see the point being made for anger, but it makes no sense for only his SSJ2 form get weaker due to lack of training.

It also says his strength hadn't changed since he was a kid:

Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.

So his power hadn't changed since he was a kid, but he also doesn't have the same power as he had when he defeated Cell.

According to Vegeta, Gohan looked pretty rusty when he showed up at Capsule Corp. That seems to just be an assessment based on appearance. Gohan becomes Super Saiyan, which doesn't seem to raise any alarms. Super Saiyan 2 is the only thing that stood out in terms of showing Gohan's decline in power--and even then, only Vegeta noticed it. Lol this part is stupid.

Now if you believe Gohan is a Super Saiyan against Dabra, then Vegeta confirms that he's inferior to Super Saiyan Kid Gohan. What I don't understand is why would it have been obvious when Gohan became a Super Saiyan 2, yet his pissed off Super Saiyan wouldn't have been a clear hint he was much weaker? Vegeta got mad during the fight with Dabra as if it was unexpected when it should've already been obvious. Or you could assume he was raging on purpose to get Bobbidi's attention. Either way, this part is dumb.

 

[GSM123]

It also says his strength hadn't changed since he was a kid:

Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.

So his power hadn't changed since he was a kid, but he also doesn't have the same power as he had when he defeated Cell.

According to Vegeta, Gohan looked pretty rusty when he showed up at Capsule Corp. That seems to just be an assessment based on appearance. Gohan becomes Super Saiyan, which doesn't seem to raise any alarms. Super Saiyan 2 is the only thing that stood out in terms of showing Gohan's decline in power--and even then, only Vegeta noticed it. Lol this part is stupid.

Now if you believe Gohan is a Super Saiyan against Dabra, then Vegeta confirms that he's inferior to Super Saiyan Kid Gohan. What I don't understand is why would it have been obvious when Gohan became a Super Saiyan 2, yet his pissed off Super Saiyan wouldn't have been a clear hint he was much weaker? Vegeta got mad during the fight with Dabra as if it was unexpected when it should've already been obvious. Or you could assume he was raging on purpose to get Bobbidi's attention. Either way, this part is dumb.

I don't think he was lying when he pretended to be mad to get Babidi's attention. He was just overrating his thought for the sake of being noted IMO.

EV what you think about Gohan having a rage boost when he got mad? Seems reasonable since nobody made note of it. Only his SSJ2 form getting weaker makes no sense unless SSJ2 somehow isn't a static power boost.

Can anyone tell me where people get the whole initial super buu, rosat and stuff?

What do you mean?