Dragon Ball Discussion

[SIAD]

When Cell talks about his identity to Piccolo and tells him about when he acquired Frieza's cells (that Frieza was killed by a Future Trunks), it was the Freezer of the Main Timeline? or was it the Freezer of the Cell Timeline?

  I prefer to believe the first, since it would be hard to believe that in the Cell Timeline, Frieza was killed by another Future Trunks. Also if that were the case, Goku would not have died in the Cell Timeline and somehow the Z Warriors would have defeated the Androids (with Goku alive).

  I prefer to believe that Cell acquired the cells of the Z Warriors in their Timeline, then Cell killed the Trunks of his Temporal Line, traveled to the Main Timeline and then acquired Freezer and King Cold cells from the Main Timeline .

  What do you think?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

When Cell talks about his identity to Piccolo and tells him about when he acquired Frieza's cells (that Frieza was killed by a Future Trunks), it was the Freezer of the Main Timeline? or was it the Freezer of the Cell Timeline?

I prefer to believe the first, since it would be hard to believe that in the Cell Timeline, Frieza was killed by another Future Trunks. Also if that were the case, Goku would not have died in the Cell Timeline and somehow the Z Warriors would have defeated the Androids (with Goku alive).

I prefer to believe that Cell acquired the cells of the Z Warriors in their Timeline, then Cell killed the Trunks of his Temporal Line, traveled to the Main Timeline and then acquired Freezer and King Cold cells from the Main Timeline .

What do you think?

How would he have acquired Freeza's Cells from the original timeline if he already existed? Every DNA Cell has was collected even before he was made. Cell's timeline was a future one, but Trunks was the one who got to kill Freeza and Cold. Goku still died from unkown reasons, but probably he died before Yamcha could arrive at Goku's house only for Gero to activate 17 and 18 to kill everyone.

 

[SIAD]

When Cell talks about his identity to Piccolo and tells him about when he acquired Frieza's cells (that Frieza was killed by a Future Trunks), it was the Freezer of the Main Timeline? or was it the Freezer of the Cell Timeline?

I prefer to believe the first, since it would be hard to believe that in the Cell Timeline, Frieza was killed by another Future Trunks. Also if that were the case, Goku would not have died in the Cell Timeline and somehow the Z Warriors would have defeated the Androids (with Goku alive).

I prefer to believe that Cell acquired the cells of the Z Warriors in their Timeline, then Cell killed the Trunks of his Temporal Line, traveled to the Main Timeline and then acquired Freezer and King Cold cells from the Main Timeline .

What do you think?

How would he have acquired Freeza's Cells from the original timeline if he already existed? Every DNA Cell has was collected even before he was made. Cell's timeline was a future one, but Trunks was the one who got to kill Freeza and Cold. Goku still died from unkown reasons, but probably he died before Yamcha could arrive at Goku's house only for Gero to activate 17 and 18 to kill everyone.

Maybe for as long as Cell was born again (on the Main Timeline when he was inside the egg), he got Freezer and King Cold cells.

  Still, what is your belief in the Time Lines?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Still, what is your belief in the Time Lines?

Something quite like this:

Spoiler

 

[SIAD]

Even so, I do not understand how Temporary Line 2 was born.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Timeline 2 is the original timeline. Everything happens because of what happens on this one. The person who made this chart should've put it as Timeline 1.

 

[SIAD]

Even so, I have some doubts.

  If it were true that in the Cell Time Line, there was a Future Trunks that traveled to that Timeline, that means that at least Vegeta also trained very hard in that Line and would be more or less at the same level as those Androids, that Future Trunks would rival them and Piccolo would not be forrage for them.

  Then I doubt a little that that was the case, also if it were true, Trunks (Cell Time Line), had not traveled to any "Past", therefore it would have defeated the Androids with the Planes. So, why would that Trunks have traveled to a Past after defeating his Androids (Cell Time Line), if he had never traveled to the Past before?

  That is why I prefer to think that Cell, when traveling to the Main Time Line, for as long as he was born again, acquired the Cells of Freezer and King Cold.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Even so, I have some doubts.

  If it were true that in the Cell Time Line, there was a Future Trunks that traveled to that Timeline, that means that at least Vegeta also trained very hard in that Line and would be more or less at the same level as those Androids, that Future Trunks would rival them and Piccolo would not be forrage for them.

  Then I doubt a little that that was the case, also if it were true, Trunks (Cell Time Line), had not traveled to any "Past", therefore it would have defeated the Androids with the Planes. So, why would that Trunks have traveled to a Past after defeating his Androids (Cell Time Line), if he had never traveled to the Past before?

  That is why I prefer to think that Cell, when traveling to the Main Time Line, for as long as he was born again, acquired the Cells of Freezer and King Cold.

Cell states no one but Piccolo can fight the Androids, so it seems like the androids from Cell's timeline were as strong as the present ones, but still as psychotic as the future ones as they killed all the Z Fighters.

That's explained on the chart. Trunks is going to the past because he wants to try to create a timeline where the androids were never released. This actually explains how Cell ended up on 763, a year before Freeza's death (It's stated somewhere that Cell spend 4 years as a larva).

 

[SIAD]

Even so, I have some doubts.

  If it were true that in the Cell Time Line, there was a Future Trunks that traveled to that Timeline, that means that at least Vegeta also trained very hard in that Line and would be more or less at the same level as those Androids, that Future Trunks would rival them and Piccolo would not be forrage for them.

  Then I doubt a little that that was the case, also if it were true, Trunks (Cell Time Line), had not traveled to any "Past", therefore it would have defeated the Androids with the Planes. So, why would that Trunks have traveled to a Past after defeating his Androids (Cell Time Line), if he had never traveled to the Past before?

  That is why I prefer to think that Cell, when traveling to the Main Time Line, for as long as he was born again, acquired the Cells of Freezer and King Cold.

Cell states no one but Piccolo can fight the Androids, so it seems like the androids from Cell's timeline were as strong as the present ones, but still as psychotic as the future ones as they killed all the Z Fighters.

That's explained on the chart. Trunks is going to the past because he wants to try to create a timeline where the androids were never released. This actually explains how Cell ended up on 763, a year before Freeza's death (It's stated somewhere that Cell spend 4 years as a larva).

But I'm sure that in a moment Cell remembering his birth in his Temporal Line, Dr. Gero had told the Androids # 17 and # 18 that Cell is stronger than them, therefore the Androids of the Timeline of Cell are inferior to Cell Imperfecto (Initial).

  It would still be foolish that Future Trunks having already defeated their Androids, have created another Timeline to eliminate them in that other Timeline.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

  It would still be foolish that Future Trunks having already defeated their Androids, have created another Timeline to eliminate them in that other Timeline.

Not really. He and Bulma actually agreed that no one deserves to suffer the same fate as them with the androids, so that's why he traveled in time:

 

[Pocket-God]

In your guys opinions, what's the absolute minimum gap needed to completely no sell your opponents attacks with literally zero effort?

 

[SSJ2]

> 2x

 

[Pocket-God]

Kay.

Then what would you say the gap between Perfect Cell and SSJ Veggie is?

 

[SSJ2]

I don't have a gap for that right now

 

[SIAD]

  It would still be foolish that Future Trunks having already defeated their Androids, have created another Timeline to eliminate them in that other Timeline.

Not really. He and Bulma actually agreed that no one deserves to suffer the same fate as them with the androids, so that's why he traveled in time:

But if Trunks (Cell Line) had not traveled to the Past, it would not have created that Timeline, therefore no one from that Timeline would have suffered, since it had not existed.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But if Trunks (Cell Line) had not traveled to the Past, it would not have created that Timeline, therefore no one from that Timeline would have suffered, since it had not existed.

Blame for this shit then.

In your guys opinions, what's the absolute minimum gap needed to completely no sell your opponents attacks with literally zero effort?

About 2x IMO. 2nd form Freeza didn't even see Vegeta's blast coming but was completely unharmed by it.

Kay.

Then what would you say the gap between Perfect Cell and SSJ Veggie is?

You mean Warm up Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta? Probably 3x or so. Cell was thinking he could block Vegeta's Final Flash, and he probably expected it to be as amped as the Garlic Gun.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

This question kinda been bugging me but why didn't Dende and friends could have wish Porunga for Goku to be healed instantly on Namek after the whole Ginyu shit?

 

[ahill1]

That's true, they could have done it... Kuririn for some reason didn't remember the DBs could grant three wishes, but they could have revived Piccolo, wished him to Namek and with the third wish heal Goku. Maybe it's possible they would use the third wish for it, but I remember Vegeta got there right after they made the 2nd wish, so the third wish was kind of spoiled by Vegeta.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

This question kinda been bugging me but why didn't Dende and friends could have wish Porunga for Goku to be healed instantly on Namek after the whole Ginyu shit?

For the same reason Dende didn't get into the chamber and heal Goku himself while everyone fought Freeza.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Is this Vegeta going SSJ2 for a second? Or it's just a power up like Vegetto's that happened to have an aura?