Dragon Ball Discussion

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Does Daizenshuu 2 calling Pure Boo Goku’s “fellow strongest” implies they’re the strongest up to this point?

 

[ahill1]

Could you post the statement? Fairly sure it refers to Boo in general, as in "Goku defeats Boo, the stronegst enemy" or something like that.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Could you post the statement? Fairly sure it refers to Boo in general, as in "Goku defeats Boo, the stronegst enemy" or something like that.

Seems to be strictly about Pure Boo and Goku to me

 

[Spiral-Force]

What 'feelings' did Buu understand? And why was the chapter in which he got destroyed referenced for this?

 

[ahill1]

What 'feelings' did Buu understand? And why was the chapter in which he got destroyed referenced for this?

Not disagreeing with you, but what you meant with the second question?

 

[Spiral-Force]

Not disagreeing with you, but what you meant with the second question?

The entry refers to chapter 516, and displays a pic of Goku just before he finishes Buu. I'm questioning the relevance.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

[mention]Spiral-Force[/mention] I think this is in reference to Goku’s speech just before he finished Boo to how he fought well and how he wishes to fight him again properly. Goku’s wishes of fighting the strongest were matched by Boo (Even if he didn’t reciprocate those feelings since he lacks emotions), what might be supported in the manga by how he looks forward to fight the revived Boo, but shows no desire to fight Gohan or Gotenks.

 

[Spiral-Force]

@Spiral-Force I think this is in reference to Goku’s speech just before he finished Boo to how he fought well and how he wishes to fight him again properly. Goku’s wishes of fighting the strongest were matched by Boo (Even if he didn’t reciprocate those feelings since he lacks emotions),

If that's so, why does only Buu grasp this? Vegeta had an internal speech dedicated to describing Goku's behaviour and feelings, whilst with Buu we got nothing.

what might be supported in the manga by how he looks forward to fight the revived Boo, but shows no desire to fight Gohan or Gotenks.

Well unlike Gohan or Gotenks, Buu had a historic life-or-death battle with Goku. Goku won, but it wasn't through an individual effort, so his mind was deadset on a 1-on-1 bout to settle things. It's like how (early Namek) Goku still expressed interest in a rematch with Vegeta despite being faced with stronger opponents at the time.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

[mention]Spiral-Force[/mention] so you think it’s possible Goku’s “fellow strongest” is Vegeta and not Boo?

Either way, this would still imply Goku and Vegeta are the strongest in the universe, Vegeta being his fellow strongest and all

 

[Spiral-Force]

Since Vegeta doesn't measure up to any of the Buus during that period, there'd be a hole in that interpretation too.

I don't feel a necessity to make sense of this entry. It's quite tangled.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Damn, another idea for tosh to shoved in our throat!

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Seems like a silly question, but what is the evidence for Kaioshin > Kibito? Specially for you guys who think Piccolo > Kaioshin. What even conveys Kaioshin is the stronger of the two?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Aside from status seeming to suggest such, Shin's statements in regard to how strong the Saiyans or Boo are was always using the Kaioshin (including himself) as a benchmark. You'd think if Kibito were on the same level or superior, he'd bother to name drop him as well.

Then again, I guess there isn't anything substantial supporting this status-quo, so maybe Post-Boo training GAINZ Kibito against Zamasu wasn't too ludicrous after all

Now that you mention it, the Daizenshuu does cite Kibito as on Base Gohan's level whilst confirming Yakon > Shin. It does do so based on the same reasoning as its Shin > Piccolo statement despite the reasoning for that seeming to become ever so much weaker the more new material gets released, so take it as you will.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Chapter 339 (DBZ 145), P2.2
Context: as Yamcha gets stabbed by No.20
Tenshinhan: “A large ki went wild and is now falling…! Wh-who is it!?”

Is there any logical reason Tenshinhan wouldn't recognize Yamcha's Ki here?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Kuririn also didn't immediately recognise the "two huge Kis" (Yamcha and Tenshinhan), so it's safe to say the humans never took the time to attune themselves to each others' Ki signatures at any point of their various training from the Saiyan Arc and onward.

That, or this is the power achieved when Yamcha activates the Yamchad form.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Seems like a silly question, but what is the evidence for Kaioshin > Kibito? Specially for you guys who think Kaioshin > Piccolo. What even conveys Kaioshin is the stronger of the two?

Nothing.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So, a little thought I had about both present and future Gohan. Do you think a secondary reason for Gohan being left with one arm (first obviously being to extend the fight and keep tension high) was to mirror his future self having lost an arm, particularly his TV Special self in which Future Gohan fires off a one-handed Kamehameha?

 

[Papasmurf]

Almost every instance of a character losing or having their arm broken was of their left arm, so it's hard to say. It's also worth noting that the original manga version of the Trunks special never specifies Gohan lost his arm protecting Trunks, only that it could've been regrown if the Senzu plant hadn't died out.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Still, the special was aired not long after the special chapter was released and it wouldn't be the first time Toriyama has taken influence from Toei's take on his idea (eg. incorporating Bardock's semi-significance into the manga via a cameo). I'd probably say the idea of it connecting somewhat to Goku beating Piccolo Daimao is stronger when considering the connections present in the later portions of the Cell Arc, though I wouldn't rule this out either.

 

[SSJ2]

So, a little thought I had about both present and future Gohan. Do you think a secondary reason for Gohan being left with one arm (first obviously being to extend the fight and keep tension high) was to mirror his future self having lost an arm, particularly his TV Special self in which Future Gohan fires off a one-handed Kamehameha?

No.