Dragon Ball Discussion

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Except Kaio tells us that he wasn't aware of Freeza's power.

Whether or not he knew about his transformations is debatable, but I don't see why he would withhold that information if he knew.

What form of Freeza do you think Kaio compared Slug to in Movie 4 then?

 

[SSJ2]

I haven't seen that movie in 8 years lol. Honestly don't know the line, but I don't see why a line from a movie would impact the manga.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I haven't seen that movie in 8 years lol. Honestly don't know the line, but I don't see why a line from a movie would impact the manga.

It wouldn't, I was just thinking about movie stuff and remembered that line.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Considering it wasn't until Freeza went 50% that Kaio was shown making any comment about his expectations being blown away, I'd say the level of effort he used against Base Galu is the ceiling for what Kaio was aware of. We know Freeza has walked around in his true form for enough time to have some form of a fight with Cold and in turn that Cold was prolific enough to have been the ruler of their empire until retiring, so it'd make sense for Kaio to be aware of Initial True form Freeza's power.

 

[SSJ2]

22nd Goku can sense ki?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah. What Popo schooled him about was not just Ki sensing/control in itself but the honing of that ability to use it in battle.

I think he also sensed Gohan’s Ki in the Baba Tournament. Guess he learned that with either Karin or Roshi. Or maybe even Gohan himself?

 

[SSJ2]

Why did drinking the Super God Water allow him to sense ki from long distance? Does it become easier to sense ki as you become more powerful?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

There are quite a few instances of Goku sensing Ki to some degree prior to the Choshinsui in the manga. The anime is what made him unable to, with him either not sensing it or having more vague senses as the word "Ki" isn't used as a definitive term in the anime until Goku meets Popo.

Why did drinking the Super God Water allow him to sense ki from long distance? Does it become easier to sense ki as you become more powerful?

To some degree. Characters do seem to have an easier job sensing Ki as they become more powerful, though it still requires some focus to do when considering neither Gohan nor Vegeta were aware of Goten and Trunks' power prior to training with them. It also seems to become more difficult to distinguish far smaller Ki than your own as yours increases, considering Goku had some difficulty sensing Bulma in the Boo Arc despite her being with Roshi and Yamcha.

 

[ahill1]

Goku also stated that he couldn't sense Popo's chi when this latter cleared his mind.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku also stated that he couldn't sense Popo's chi when this latter cleared his mind.

Toriyama said in an interview that he made the Z Senshi able to suppress their powers so Scouters reading their powers wouldn't make fights uninteresting, so Popo's "mind emptying" suppression thing probably wasn't entirely the same concept as the more expert suppression seen in Z.

 

[ahill1]

Goku also stated that he couldn't sense Popo's chi when this latter cleared his mind.

Toriyama said in an interview that he made the Z Senshi able to suppress their powers so Scouters reading their powers wouldn't make fights uninteresting, so Popo's "mind emptying" suppression thing probably wasn't entirely the same concept as the more expert suppression seen in Z.

True, but it still shows that Goku could sense chi even before training with Popo, no?

Granted, that was after the Choushinsui, at which point it's more commonly agreed Goku had this ability. Prior to the water, the only time that comes to mind pointing to Goku possessing this ability is the one SSJ2 brought up above.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, it seems like Goku learned how to sense ki in the timeskip between the RRA/Baba arc and the 22nd, but its full potency was released after drinking the Choshinsui.

 

[SSJ2]

Why wouldn't Tenshinhan use the Kikoho on Piccolo Daimao/Drum after noticing the rice cooker was broken? He already acknowledged that he was on a suicide mission and it seemed foolish to try to beat them with hand to hand combat.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

We saw that he needs a fair amount of time to charge it up at the 22nd TB, something that neither of the two would likely afford him.

 

[Papasmurf]

It'd be easy for Daimao to dodge it anyway when a much weaker, battle-worn Goku was able to dodge it himself.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That, and Roshi had already said there was no way for them to take an Old Daimao even after seeing the power of the Kikoho, meaning using it on Daimao would be a wasted effort that would just secure Ten's death and using it on Drum would still leave him opening for Daimao to just oneshot.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

How do you believe Gohan Boo was able to use the Super Kamikaze Ghost Attack against Vegetto when Gotenks had diffused and his fusees were incapable of doing the technique individually? Do you think Boo's natural talent allowed him to simply copy the technique on his own?

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, I think the fact he accessed Gotenks' memories and capabilities for a while made him to learn the technique, much like how he learned Vegeta's chi attack technique and the KMHMH instantly.

 

[SSJ2]

How would Kami restore the moon? Were the Dragon Balls used for this?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's likely a magical ability that Kami are capable of due to their divine nature, much like how the Kaioshin can create stars and planets according to .