Gero's scanning abilities

[SSJ2]

This is a thread that I can always come back to. Is there any way to make sense of this? We see sick SSJ Goku transform and Gero reads his power level. He talks down to Goku and says that 19 can handle that level of power, and is stunned when 19 is getting outclassed.



But then it appears that Gero is using some sort of algorithm to calculate Goku's power:



What the fuck kind of data is he talking about? He has no knowledge of Super Saiyan, how would any algorithm calculate Goku's power? Why would he not have an accurate scanner like Android 16 had?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

16’s scanner probably depends on the infinite energy generator to run. 19 and 20 don’t have the batteries for that.

Goku vs 19 could be related to what Piccolo says later about using energy in bursts, but I’m not sure. SSJ already has Goku in a battle stance with most of Ki coming out, so it’s not like the difference could be so big.

I always liked the idea Gero’s scouter maxes out at 100,000,000 so he can’t tell Goku is actually at 200,000,000 (random numbers).

 

[SSJ2]

It doesn't seem to be the case here though because Piccolo could tell right away there was something wrong with Goku, and Tenshinhan was glazing Goku's power. That was no doubt Goku's full power on display.

I always liked the idea Gero’s scouter maxes out at 100,000,000 so he can’t tell Goku is actually at 200,000,000 (random numbers).

This would be pretty boneheaded for the greatest genius in the world though. He's exactly at the top reading of the limit on the scale which means he can't be a single point beyond that. Sounds like an assumption a genius would make.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Sounds like an assumption a genius would make.

That’s Gero’s entire career in one sentence.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Sick Goku never came close to displaying Goku's full power. Tien's shock at Goku's power is just that Sick Goku is so far above Yardrat Goku, it's impressive.

GSM has a good theory, in essence, Gero has a diminishing return on top end powers where he's reading numbers that are inaccurate. The projected data limits his scouters top end. Just like GSM said.

Remember, who are the powers that Gero misread? Pretty much Vegeta is the only one.

You'd have to double check me but check this out. There's two differences here.

Gero Actual Power Reading Ability
Gero Predictive Ability

The only one who actually breaks the power reading ability is Vegeta. Everyone else can be read accurately. Now, Piccolo tricks him with his suppression, but literally only Vegeta's full power is beyond his ability.

Double check that theory, I think it's probably going to be gold for us in the future.

 

[SSJ2]

So how do you explain him saying 19 can handle Super Saiyan Goku? That seemed like a failed power reading as well, even if you assume he's taking 19 absorbing Goku's ki into account.

 

[Power Level Guy]

So how do you explain him saying 19 can handle Super Saiyan Goku?

Ah, I think you are right. He senses Goku, then gives a reading, then is shocked by the reading.

I'm wrong here then.

Sick Goku is the limit. His reading seems to be able to determine that Vegeta > Sick Goku, but there's diminishing returns here.

So it's kind of like something like this.

Sick Goku Reading 650
Actual 1,000

Vegeta Reading 1,250
Actual 1,500

Or something like that.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Did Gero even know Vegeta > Goku? He says Vegeta will lose because Goku lost.

 

[Yoshi]

I wish Gero had knowledge of Super Saiyan. It would make much more sense that he’s that powerful.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

This has always been baffling to me.

16 was able to tell that Vegeta had powered-up significantly after he showed up to fight Cell. Vegeta didn't even have to fight for 16 to notice the change. On the other end, Gero can't seem to properly gauge them whether they're fighting or standing.

Like he did with Goku, Gero had the same stupid look on his face once Vegeta started knocking 19 around. This shows that he still wasn't understanding anything. He was accurate when he said Goku's energy had a noticeable drop after firing the KMHMH, but that's it.

Gero's scanner seems like it has a limit. Based on what he said, Goku's age meant he was done receiving significant (like he did from Kaio's training) power-ups. So his own research probably accounted for Goku's highest increases and anything after that was a random calculation.

Nothing else makes any sense.

 

[SSJ2]

Hey nice to see you back @Evil Vegeta. Hope you've been well brother.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yeah, that's the one person I really miss from Neo when I come here.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Gonna make it a point to post here more often. I miss Zeta.

 

[SSJ2]

And then there was the whole mess with Piccolo. Was Gero not able to tell that Piccolo powered up massively? He was shocked when Piccolo started beating his ass.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

And then there was the whole mess with Piccolo. Was Gero not able to tell that Piccolo powered up massively? He was shocked when Piccolo started beating his ass.

Piccolo powered up right before he started beating Gero's ass. He mentions to Gero that he was heavily suppressed when Gero drained him.

 

[SSJ2]

Of course. What I'm saying is that Gero wasn't able to sense his power up. Even after Piccolo's power up Gero had no clue how he was losing to Piccolo.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

Of course. What I'm saying is that Gero wasn't able to sense his power up.

Piccolo immediately attacked him before he could detect it.

 

[ahill1]

This is a thread that I can always come back to. Is there any way to make sense of this? We see sick SSJ Goku transform and Gero reads his power level. He talks down to Goku and says that 19 can handle that level of power, and is stunned when 19 is getting outclassed.

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But then it appears that Gero is using some sort of algorithm to calculate Goku's power:

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What the fuck kind of data is he talking about? He has no knowledge of Super Saiyan, how would any algorithm calculate Goku's power? Why would he not have an accurate scanner like Android 16 had?

The best explanation I guess is that Goku was suppressed initially when turning SSJ... And revealed his full power when fighting. The same would be valid for Vegeta as he was confident #19 would do the same he did to Goku...

Maybe the "so far above the data projected" would mean his data couldn't even register Goku's power accurately since he was prepared to scan way lesser levels... But still, that'd make him an idiot for being confident he could defeat SSJ Vegeta by adding the energies from the Z warriors that he scanned when he was hiding, since, how would he have a basis if he knows he can't read SSJ properly if it surpasses the projected data so much? He'd be guessing with no basis. Not to mention reading again, it is worded about what the data projected, not his scan abilities to read that.

But also, he thought that absorbing a suppressed Piccolo's power again, that according to Piccolo was "nothing", would take him from << Piccolo to able to beat Vegeta...

So it's just weird as fuck, it seems Gero was the dumbest scientist ever. Lol AT was genius for making the scientist who had science knowledge no one else had into Bobbidi level dumb when it came to logical deductions

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The best explanation I guess is that Goku was suppressed initially when turning SSJ... And revealed his full power when fighting. The same would be valid for Vegeta as he was confident #19 would do the same he did to Goku...

Not suppressed, more like standing ki =/= fighting ki. Though Goku was already in a battle stance when he transformed so idk.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Standing Ki isn’t all that different. Geri’s scanner is just wacky.