GreatSaiyaman123’s 2023 Power Level List

[SIAD]

Nerfed the humans, changed SSJ multipliers for fusion, and added manga versions of BoGs and U6 Sagas.

@SIAD

This is very interesting, please continue

 

[SSJ2]

That hardly makes any difference. What is 300k Gohan doing that 200k Gohan can’t do? He’s still far weaker than Vegeta Freeza either way.

It makes a lot more sense narratively when Vegeta was counting on their help against a transformed Freeza. Vegeta also knew their powers were rising, so 300k is a fine starting point.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It makes a lot more sense narratively when Vegeta was counting on their help against a transformed Freeza. Vegeta also knew their powers were rising, so 300k is a fine starting point.

Nah it's not needed. If he ended the fight at 400-500k then Vegeta was right in his prevision. Remember Vegeta never thought Gohan would surpass him.

Talking about rising, I think I should rise Kuririn a bit. 75k was his power in the start of the fight.

 

[Yoshi]

Why is Pui Pui 180,000? LOL.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Because he sucks lol

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@SIAD did everything up to the Tournament of Power, but I did not include all 80 fighters, only a few besides the main characters.

How strong are the 12 gods of destruction between each other? I'm going to include them. I just remember Beerus > Quitela > Champa, but I don't know about the rest.

@Animelover5487 check this out, I made Trunks only get 2x stronger between fighting Dabra and going to the past again. Now that makes a lot more sense than Base Trunks >>>>> Dabra.

 

[Yoshi]

Because he sucks lol

Does it have to do with him thinking x10 gravity is a big deal? LOL.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Does it have to do with him thinking x10 gravity is a big deal? LOL.

Pretty much. We know gravity isn't consistent with power, but there's a limit: Kid Trunks struggles with 100x gravity despite being stronger than Namek Goku, but just going SSJ negates that entirely.

So you can only be so strong if you consider gravity to be a big deal. Some 10 years ago I remember a theory about how each of Babidi's soldier could be comparable to an old villain, and I think it fits: Dabra is Cell, Yakon is Freeza, Pui Pui is Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

 

[Cirno777]

Why do you think fusions have different SSJ multipliers? I've seen that idea floating around but never knew how one would arrive at that conclusion.

 

[Animelover5487]

Why do you think fusions have different SSJ multipliers? I've seen that idea floating around but never knew how one would arrive at that conclusion.

Probably because Base Gotenks is implied to be stronger than Majin Vegeta. After all, Kuririn and the others had a little hope for Gotenks defeating Boo even without SSJ despite seeing how easily Vegeta got stomped.

 

[Cirno777]

Probably because Base Gotenks is implied to be stronger than Majin Vegeta. After all, Kuririn and the others had a little hope for Gotenks defeating Boo even without SSJ despite seeing how easily Vegeta got stomped.

Piccolo certainly didn't have the same hope as the others for base Gotenks, though, he can still be > Majin Vegeta I guess.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why do you think fusions have different SSJ multipliers? I've seen that idea floating around but never knew how one would arrive at that conclusion.

Some people will tell you it’s because Base fusion looks strong but SSJ fusion doesn’t feel absurdly strong (which is a very subjective judgement), but I think it’s more simple than that.

The numbers just get out of hand using those multipliers. Yes, it should be 50x, but if 2x fits the bill just the same…

I did use the normal multipliers when I published this list, but going into Super it gets crazy. SSJFP Broly would be at least a million times SSJB Goku.

 

[Cirno777]

Some people will tell you it’s because Base fusion looks strong but SSJ fusion doesn’t feel absurdly strong (which is a very subjective judgement), but I think it’s more simple than that.

The numbers just get out of hand using those multipliers. Yes, it should be 50x, but if 2x fits the bill just the same…

I did use the normal multipliers when I published this list, but going into Super it gets crazy. SSJFP Broly would be at least a million times SSJB Goku.

Yeah, I use the full multipliers (50, 100, 400), & DBS really goes crazy.

As another example, personally I've got Base Vegetto at 320,000x Goku, SSJ-God Goku > SSJ3 Vegetto, so that's like 128,000,000x. SSJ-Blue is 6,400,000,000x, Gogeta was at least that strong in base, so SSJ Gogeta (FP Broly) is 320,000,000,000x, Gogeta Blue is 40,960,000,000,000,000,000x etc etc.

 

[SIAD]

@GreatSaiyaman123 And when the Arc Broly, Moro and Granolah?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@GreatSaiyaman123 And when the Arc Broly, Moro and Granolah?

This weekend.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@SIAD everything else added up to the latest chapter. Since the manga will remake the movie, I won't give numbers for the movie.

Unfortunately, I forgot my SSJB multiplier for fusions, so I can't give numbers for Vegetto or Gogeta...

 

[SIAD]

@SIAD everything else added up to the latest chapter. Since the manga will remake the movie, I won't give numbers for the movie.

Unfortunately, I forgot my SSJB multiplier for fusions, so I can't give numbers for Vegetto or Gogeta...

Base = 1
SSJ =2.5
SSJ2 = 5
SSJ3 = 10
SSJG = 20
PSSJB = 50

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Base = 1
SSJ =2.5
SSJ2 = 5
SSJ3 = 10
SSJG = 20
PSSJB = 50

I have SSJ3 = 6.25x, like CC used to, but I like the rest. So what do you think about this?

SSJB Goku/Vegeta: 12
Merged Zamasu: 120

Vegetto (Initial): 120
~ Post Senzu: 1,200
~ SSJ: 3,000
~ SSJ2: 3,750
~ SSJ3: 7,500
~ SSJG: 15,000
~ SSJB: 18,750

PSSJB Goku/Vegeta: 120

Quitela: 15,625
Beerus: 15,000
Champa: 14,400
Rumoosh: 14,000
Mosco: 13,500
Gin: 13,500
Iwan/Arak/Liquiir/Helles: 13,200
Sidra: 12,800
Belmond: 12,500

Jiren: 15,000

Ikari Broly (Peak): 120
~ SSJ: 6,000
~ LSSJ: 12,000
~ Peak: 15,000

Gogeta: 2,400
~ SSJ: 6,000
~ SSJ2: 7,500
~ SSJ3: 15,000
~ SSJG: 30,000
~ PSSJB: 75,000

 

[SIAD]

I have SSJ3 = 6.25x, like CC used to, but I like the rest. So what do you think about this?

SSJB Goku/Vegeta: 12
Merged Zamasu: 120

Vegetto (Initial): 120
~ Post Senzu: 1,200
~ SSJ: 3,000
~ SSJ2: 3,750
~ SSJ3: 7,500
~ SSJG: 15,000
~ SSJB: 18,750

PSSJB Goku/Vegeta: 120

Quitela: 15,625
Beerus: 15,000
Champa: 14,400
Rumoosh: 14,000
Mosco: 13,500
Gin: 13,500
Iwan/Arak/Liquiir/Helles: 13,200
Sidra: 12,800
Belmond: 12,500

Jiren: 15,000

Ikari Broly (Peak): 120
~ SSJ: 6,000
~ LSSJ: 12,000
~ Peak: 15,000

Gogeta: 2,400
~ SSJ: 6,000
~ SSJ2: 7,500
~ SSJ3: 15,000
~ SSJG: 30,000
~ PSSJB: 75,000

I have: Beerus >= Quitela > Rumoosh >> Mosco >>> Champa > Gin > Iwan / Arak / Liquiir >= Helles > Belmond > Sidra.

 

[SIAD]

I'm so confused with the current powers for Goten and Trunks. Perfectly they can be just as powerful as Post Rosat were or they could be more powerful than the PSSJB of the ToP.