How strong is Gogeta? (manga)

[SSJ2]

Because of Gotenks going from SSJ2 level to rivaling SSJ3 Goku with SSJ right? That’s certainly part of the reason too. Just base Gotenks being too OP and making 50x serm off.

Yeah, because if Base Gotenks is that strong and the multiplier is 50x, SSJ3 is forced to have a multiplier of around the same level. That doesn't make sense when SSJ2 Vegeta was considered relevant enough to fight against Pure Boo.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yeah, because if Base Gotenks is that strong and the multiplier is 50x, SSJ3 is forced to have a multiplier of around the same level. That doesn't make sense when SSJ2 Vegeta was considered relevant enough to fight against Pure Boo.

Yeah, I definitely get that. I'll have to think of some better counters. The reduced multiplier approach isn't a bad one. I don't go by it, but it's pretty solid.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Relative to his potara counterpart. They were both essentially deus ex machina options for whichever Buu is giving them more trouble than they bargained for. The concept of Vegito's longevity waned when we found out how the duration differs for mortals.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Relative to his potara counterpart. They were both essentially deus ex machina options for whichever Buu is giving them more trouble than they bargained for. The concept of Vegito's longevity waned when we found out how the duration differs for mortals.

Well the reason Vegetto split was because of the air in Buu’s body. Not a time limit issue.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Potara runs out after an hour according to modern material. I know that Buu's body is a special case since that can even make Kais defuse.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

Manga Gogeta should be weak. Much weaker than Vegetto ofc.

I have kids post on Pre Majin Vegeta level and I think Gogeta should just be SSJ2 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta on top of SSJ forms ofc. Gogeta's 2.4x Gotenks same form.

Maybe Buuhan saying Gogeta would be no match for him holds some true and he's not entirely arrogant. Only way's lowballing Ultimate Gohan like just 25% stronger than Super Buu/SSJ3 Gotenks, but he's much more. In relation of SSJ Vegetto who's much stronger than even SSJ3 Gotenks, Gogeta's very weak even on SSJ3.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Manga Gogeta should be weak. Much weaker than Vegetto ofc.

For what reason?

I have kids post on Pre Majin Vegeta level and I think Gogeta should just be SSJ2 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta on top of SSJ forms ofc. Gogeta's 2.4x Gotenks same form.

Kids are only CG Vegeta/Trunks level confirmed by DBS manga. They are nowhere near Pre-Majin Vegeta level.

Maybe Buuhan saying Gogeta would be no match for him holds some true and he's not entirely arrogant. Only way's lowballing Ultimate Gohan like just 25% stronger than Super Buu/SSJ3 Gotenks, but he's much more. In relation of SSJ Vegetto who's much stronger than even SSJ3 Gotenks, Gogeta's very weak even on SSJ3.

Buuhan said the same about Gokhan and Super Vegetto. It's bunk.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

For what reason?

See below.

Kids are only CG Vegeta/Trunks level confirmed by DBS manga. They are nowhere near Pre-Majin Vegeta level.

Yes, but how can be sustained through 90's material?

Trunks made Vegeta sweat and struggle when dodging his fists. CG Vegeta/Trunks are nowhere near capable of doing that.

Kid Trunks was able of making Majin Buu flying away while Gohan didn't do any harm (whichever form he's in). There's also Kid Trunks suggesting teaming up w/Goten & Majin Vegeta vs Majin Buu.

Buuhan said the same about Gokhan and Super Vegetto. It's bunk.

I can say there are cons and pros of Buuhan being right, but I am not exactly supportive of him. If I have make one case against him, story on itself portrays how you can't predict how strong saiyans can get, which is why villains constantly fails on their predictions.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

CG Vegeta/Trunks are nowhere near capable of doing that.

Why not? It’s just training.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

Why not? It’s just training.

Kkx2 Goku struggled on dodging Vegeta's blast.

How much of gap you're seriously suggesting CG Trunks/Vegeta could fit on when they're far from reaching 100% Goku's level?

Training argument doesn't work much specially when we have SSJ Goku being calm w/Piccolo & Gohan.

 

[Power Level Guy]

@AngelBorninHell

So what are you suggesting? The boys got weaker from Buu Saga to ToP?

 

[AngelBorninHell]

@AngelBorninHell

So what are you suggesting? The boys got weaker from Buu Saga to ToP?

I have few options here:

1- Vegeta's comments meant something else.
2- That was retcon.
3- Contradicts previous material.

In fact, I believe newer material can clarify things from past, but if contradictions are that heavy compared on original material, it'd end up on contradictions and statement becomes obsolete. Finally, if something comes from Super manga, I don't have any reason of believing so lulz.

 

[Power Level Guy]

1- Vegeta's comments meant something else.

They didn't. It's clear what they meant. You are trying to create your own story here instead of taking what has been given.

2- That was retcon.

So the way retcons work is that they supersede previous material and a new interpretation of the material must now be made. This is how it works.

3- Contradicts previous material.

Source material that contradicts previous source material retcons it. So the previous source material is no longer valid.

In fact, I believe newer material can clarify things from past, but if contradictions are that heavy compared on original material, it'd end up on contradictions and statement becomes obsolete. Finally, if something comes from Super manga, I don't have any reason of believing so lulz.

Yeah, so your argument is essentially invalid. As long as you admit it, I'm cool.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

They didn't. It's clear what they meant. You are trying to create your own story here instead of taking what has been given.

Not really. Lumping two characters and saying they're strong doesn't put them on same category.

So the way retcons work is that they supersede previous material and a new interpretation of the material must now be made. This is how it works.

Yes, but when talking specifically of how things were written makes difference between one thing and other. For example, some can say of how strong Gogeta would have been on manga if scripted on 90's and another's according of recent material. There are two areas which are divided.

Source material that contradicts previous source material retcons it. So the previous source material is no longer valid.

Problem's this seems of being manga-exclusive, why do I refer of this? For example, when something appears on manga or anime and doesn't corroborate both ways, there's fundamentally skeptism among both areas and makes exclusive from one way or other. If both manga and anime synthonize same idea, yes, retcon's applied, w/have examples of Potara being 1 hour, androids being able of getting stronger through training, ultimate form being configured, mentioning some. If anime haven't Vegeta saying 17 that, then it's not fundamentally an idea of Toriyama's work.

Yeah, so your argument is essentially invalid. As long as you admit it, I'm cool.

DBS Manga's full of horrible writing, someone keeping skeptism of that's isn't neccesarily invalid.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Not really. Lumping two characters and saying they're strong doesn't put them on same category.

That's not what happened. Saying two people are equal strength means they are. Nice try though.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

That's not what happened. Saying two people are equal strength means they are. Nice try though.

I agree. Saying "he's strong but he's also strong too" not.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I agree. Saying "he's strong but he's also strong too" not.

Post the quote and let's discuss what you are misunderstanding.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

Post the quote and let's discuss what you are misunderstanding.

 

[Power Level Guy]

“Just as good” means not as good to you?

 

[Pakl]

Undoubtedly stronger than SSjin 3 Gotenks. I used to have him in par with Ultimate Gohan.