Is AT jealous of Eiichiro Oda?

[Fantastische Hure]

Is he?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

He's jealous of Salagir, which is why he created TOP.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't see why. Toriyama's still making enough money from Super to compete with OP's overall franchise popularity, even if not its rival in manga sales, and its not as though OP's overall writing quality is much better than the DB manga apart from when it comes to foreshadowing.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

One-Piece is objectively better in all aspects than DragonBall though. I can't think of a single thing, other than influence but One-Piece influence will probably be felt in time. I know you can say well DragonBall 20 years was already influential but since One-Piece we haven't really had a manga that was really hugely successful (other than Naruto). Maybe My Hero Academia or something (which was apparently influenced by Naruto or something).

One-Piece has really surpassed DragonBall in every way possible. I think AT felt a bit jealous because he couldn't match-up to the work-ethic and the sort of amazing word Eiichiro Oda built compared to the relatively dull DragonBall world.

That's why you see the hierarchies in DragonBall now. Angels, Gods, gods above gods. Because of One-Piece and its way of showing status. Goku has an actual goal now (like One-Piece) unlike in the original series where just random bad-gai #21 appeared and Goku had to stop them. He wants to surpass Bills. The power isn't everything thing.

AT has gone from trend-setter to follower.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Maybe or Toriyama just wants to get relevant again hence he brought back the series. Also even if it's true but it's just a professional jealousy and it's normal when it comes on any industries.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

One-Piece is objectively better in all aspects than DragonBall though. I can't think of a single thing,

If looking at the DB franchise as a whole, you're correct. If comparing the DB and OP manga, however, I'd say DB has far better character development as most of the characters who do develop have permanent changes and growth as time goes on such as Kuririn or Piccolo. Only OP character I can say that about outside of flashback changes would be Zoro, with most of the main cast either remaining extremely static or returning to the status-quo whenever it seems like they'll gain any development.

Also, DB definitely does pacing better. OP needed a great length for all the material it brought in, but the story could be far further along if Oda spent less time with mystery bait and dragging on fights that could have swift conclusions.

One-Piece has really surpassed DragonBall in every way possible. I think AT felt a bit jealous because he couldn't match-up to the work-ethic and the sort of amazing word Eiichiro Oda built compared to the relatively dull DragonBall world.

I'd say their work ethic is pretty comparable, at least when looking at prime Toriyama. He didn't miss a single week when it came to bringing chapters out for WSJ and whilst Oda has done so for far longer now, he has had numerous hiatuses in this time.

That's why you see the hierarchies in DragonBall now. Angels, Gods, gods above gods. Because of One-Piece and its way of showing status.

You could definitely say OP inspired this aspect of Super, though it wouldn't be substantial to do so without direct confirmation from Toriyama. Having hierarchies of characters and classes to overcome has been common place long before One Piece, the first Shonen to implement such arguably being Kinnikuman with the villain hierarchy of Gods > Perfect Chojin > Akuma Knights > Akuma Chojin and the first Shonen to do so solidly being Saint Seiya with the Bronze, Silver and Gold Saints.

Goku has an actual goal now (like One-Piece) unlike in the original series where just random bad-gai #21 appeared and Goku had to stop them. He wants to surpass Bills. The power isn't everything thing.

Goku's goal hasn't really changed. It's always been to just become stronger and fight stronger opponents. The only difference now is that now we have one being treat as a wall whilst we didn't in the past other than Roshi at the 21st TB (who's role as a driving force for Goku was done far better than with Beerus) and it's not as though Beerus' role as that wall is even made that apparent for Goku's character after Resurrection F, especially with Beerus being surpassed via Ultra Instinct and reduced to a babysitter in the Broly movie.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Maybe or Toriyama just wants to get relevant again hence he brought back the series. Also even if it's true but it's just a professional jealousy and it's normal when it comes on any industries.

I suppose he just caved in. Because before Battle of Gods and Dragon Ball Evolution, Toriyama outright refused to continue Dragon Ball.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

From what I've seen and I'm still trying to catch-up-to-date One-Piece does have great character-development but done in a more realistic way. Your character no matter how much it grows its root will always stay the same. Maybe your priorities or so change but who you are doesn't really.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Also AT drew 13 pages or so at best. That's below the average standard of a manga and even then he didn't really try that hard. Look at his fight-scenes for example, sure they are easy to read but they are blant as fack. All happen on some barren waste-land. One-Piece has fights on broken-down ships (Don Krieg), fights next to water and damaged buildings (Arlong), fights on deserts (Crocodile). Much more creative.

 

[Mystic]

"One-Piece is objectively better in all aspects than DragonBall though."

Y0shee is that you?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But I wasn't joking l0l.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

From what I've seen and I'm still trying to catch-up-to-date One-Piece does have great character-development but done in a more realistic way. Your character no matter how much it grows its root will always stay the same. Maybe your priorities or so change but who you are doesn't really.

OP doesn't even have these changes in priority though. The main motivations and goals of the characters as well as their relationships to others remain the same from the start outside of minor bumps in the road in the form of rescue arcs such as Arlong Park and Water 7, a major red flag in that area being Usopp and Luffy remaining the same as always despite the intensity of the drama in Water 7. Your relationships to another will always change as life goes on. OP only really has this amongst the secondary characters such as Smoker or Crocodile, and even they are few and far between.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

They seem more serious now, not like their carefree days.

 

[Mystic]

But I wasn't joking l0l.

I'm moreso referring to you saying it's "objectively" better.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Is that a favourite word of Yosheeeeet?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

They seem more serious now, not like their carefree days.

Only Zoro really is. The rest have basically remained the exact same as ever, with this being heavily damaging for Luffy's character due to all that he'd experienced having built up to the idea of him taking a new approach only to go back to the same carefree attitude he had by the next arc.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Did he though? When-ever I see post time-skip vid.s doesn't seem like it. With Usopp it's understandable since he wants to become brave but even-so I guess I understand the complaint that people wanted him to take a step forward in that post time-skip but it's still something he's striving for.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

And having Adult Goku way out of character cry for Master Roshi, especially in a world where death doesn't even mean anything.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

And having Adult Goku way out of character cry for Master Roshi, especially in a world where death doesn't even mean anything.

The way Roshi almost died in a natural death which mean they can't bring him back with DBs (idk about Porunga though). Also they were in the middle of ToP so there's a chance that their universe wouldnt survive.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Didn't he use the Mafuba against Piccolo Sr. and get brought back to life?