Kid Buu vs Super Buu

[Pyro]

any1 else feel like they're wasting time trying to convince/debate t0sh???

wot if u gais waste years doing that???

i'm telling u not worth it

No, I think this is all a part of t0sh's plan to prepare us for the real threat.

 

[Six Trails]

Answer the 'burden of proof argument':

Toriyama
~ for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong they reached a point where there was nothing higher.

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/05/20/akira-toriyama-directly-comments-on-dragon-ball-evolution/

So no, Goku and no character made any gains during the 5 years gap. Hence why Goku blatantly states he couldn't get stronger by training. He's just working out to keep what he has.

All you've proved is that Goku during Battle of Gods reached a point where there was nothing higher. Nowhere in that is the 5 year gap mentioned.

Again, no evidence. This is truly tedious; you grasp at straws, twist around words, and repeat the same arguments over and over again. It's essentially going in circles. Don't continue wasting my time unless you provide actual evidence saying there were no gains during the 5 year gap.

 

[kriss-]

Incorrect. Tryama states 'main characters', this includes Gohan. Since Gohan doesn't train, he would grow weaker. So it's a reference to the Boo Arc. It's the only point where all the MAIN CHARACTERS had reached a point where there was nothing higher. Not Battle of Gods.

Debunked.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

any1 else feel like they're wasting time trying to convince/debate t0sh???

wot if u gais waste years doing that???

i'm telling u not worth it

No, I think this is all a part of t0sh's plan to prepare us for the real threat.

who's that???

 

[kriss-]

So since all the characters reached a point where there was nothing higher and Goku is implied strongest, than it makes hi the strongest in the Boo Saga by default.

Kid Boo > Super Boo

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[Fantastische Hure]

No, no, no, shc.

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[kriss-]

No, no, no, shc.

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He asked, I delivered.

 

[Pyro]

The thread is still open.

@SHC:

 

[kriss-]

Gotenks Pre Arguments
~Counter: Boo's Chi is a lie. Stated by Toriyama & Goku. + No confirmation for anything whatsoever. All the arguments collapse in on themself.

Goku is scared to fight Boo
~Counter: It isn't until Boo becomes 'Pure' and uninfluenced does Goku acknowledge superiority. & Other reasons.

Goku trained to surpass Gohan & Gotenks
~Counter: Toriyama states they all reached max strength in the Boo Arc.

Conclusively:
~ Kid Buu > Super Buu

There is so much to this particular debate that it's starting to become a little annoying.

 

[Base Gotenks]

Super Buu wins easily. Super Buu>Kid Buu

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The thread is still open.

@SHC:

that ungrateful prick red-repped me

after i green-repped him :'( :'( :'(

 

[Ryuzaki]

So, your arguments were no different from before, as I noticed.

Now, I'll really show you why you're biased :

Let's say that you're right and that in DBS, Goku can't be stronger (though I have evidence why this interpretation is obviously wrong). Now, let's argue for what really matters : the 5 years before DBS. If the training was ineffective in the first place, why did he continue to train even in the actual show ? Because it's fun to train for nothing in 5 years ? And Goku stated that he'd train to make sure that this time, he won't lose to Kid Boo. So he clearly trained to become stronger in the 5 years.

Goku (DBS) > Goku (Boo), you no longer can deny it.

 

[kriss-]

So, your arguments were no different from before, as I noticed.

Now, I'll really show you why you're biased :

Let's say that you're right and that in DBS, Goku can't be stronger (though I have evidence why this interpretation is obviously wrong). Now, let's argue for what really matters : the 5 years before DBS. If the training was ineffective in the first place, why did he continue to train even in the actual show ? Because it's fun to train for nothing in 5 years ? And Goku stated that he'd train to make sure that this time, he won't lose to Kid Boo. So he clearly trained to become stronger in the 5 years.

Jesus christ!!!

What happens if you don't train?

 

[Pyro]

You don't need to train everyday for 5 years straight just to maintain current strength.

 

[Six Trails]

Incorrect. Tryama states 'main characters', this includes Gohan. Since Gohan doesn't train, he would grow weaker. So it's a reference to the Boo Arc. It's the only point where all the MAIN CHARACTERS had reached a point where there was nothing higher. Not Battle of Gods.

Debunked.

There you go twisting words again. You're making up that Toriyama said every character maxed out at the same time. All the interview says is by the time of Battle of Gods, the main characters had grown so strong they reached a point where there was nothing higher.

On top of this, you still avoided the original question presented to you. As I already said, unless you can provide real, objective evidence, then don't waste my time with your biased nonsense.

 

[Ryuzaki]

So, your arguments were no different from before, as I noticed.

Now, I'll really show you why you're biased :

Let's say that you're right and that in DBS, Goku can't be stronger (though I have evidence why this interpretation is obviously wrong). Now, let's argue for what really matters : the 5 years before DBS. If the training was ineffective in the first place, why did he continue to train even in the actual show ? Because it's fun to train for nothing in 5 years ? And Goku stated that he'd train to make sure that this time, he won't lose to Kid Boo. So he clearly trained to become stronger in the 5 years.

Jesus christ!!!

What happens if you don't train?

Once again, Goku stated that they'd train to fight Boo again and make sure they'll win in one-on-one this time. What can you possibly argue against this now ? Be realistic, you lost this debate. But don't worry : the Myth Slayer will teach you his techniques someday.

 

[kriss-]

It's twisting the context and ignoring the statement completely to assume he meant 'they all reached max strength at different times', when all the feats and statements only suggest they reached it all at the same time. The burden for this one lies on you.

 

[Lightsworn]

You don't need to train everyday for 5 years straight just to maintain current strength.

I doubt professional athletes train everyday expecting to make noticeable improvements at a certain age. Maybe when they're younger yeah, but once they peak, they still train heavily everyday to maintain to play at such a professional level.

 

[kriss-]

So, your arguments were no different from before, as I noticed.

Now, I'll really show you why you're biased :

Let's say that you're right and that in DBS, Goku can't be stronger (though I have evidence why this interpretation is obviously wrong). Now, let's argue for what really matters : the 5 years before DBS. If the training was ineffective in the first place, why did he continue to train even in the actual show ? Because it's fun to train for nothing in 5 years ? And Goku stated that he'd train to make sure that this time, he won't lose to Kid Boo. So he clearly trained to become stronger in the 5 years.

Jesus christ!!!

What happens if you don't train?

Once again, Goku stated that they'd train to fight Boo again and make sure they'll win in one-on-one this time. What can you possibly argue against this now ? Be realistic, you lost this debate. But don't worry : the Myth Slayer will teach you his techniques someday.

Please don't state your opinion is the right one.

 

[Six Trails]

It's twisting the context and ignoring the statement completely to assume he meant 'they all reached max strength at different times', when all the feats and statements only suggest they reached it all at the same time. The burden for this one lies on you.

The burden of proof doesn't lie on me because I'm not making assumptions. Do you know how burden of proof works? It's never stated when Goku maxed, you're twisting an interview to make it sound like the Boo arc, which would contradict Goku thinking training would help him overcome Beers initially.

Please don't state your opinion is the right one.

In other words, don't do what you do? What a joke.