Misc.

[ahill1]

Well as I said, if he was indeed a Super Saiyan 2, wouldn't it be an impossibility for his impression and Vegeta's impression of Majin Buu to work?

Yea I agree; If Gohan was a SSJ2, his true power should be ~ Kid Gohan SSJ2 ( cell game ); But the quote implies that Fat Boo ( Initial ) is equal if not a bit stronger than Gohan ( True Power ); yet Vegeta laughed at this power so:

Majin Vegeta SSJ 2 >> Fat Boo ( Initial ) >= Gohan ( True Power ).

But Majin Vegeta should not be that stronger than Gohan SSJ2 ( Cell Games ), so would make more sense to Gohan be only a SSJ and his "true power" be his SSJ2.

Majin Vegeta SSJ 2 >> Fat Boo ( Initial ) >= Gohan SSJ 2 ( '" True Power " ) >>> Gohan SSJ.

But Vegeta called Gohan SSJ2 in the tournament trash and yet was not sure of an enranged Gohan placement, so is a tough question.


I really don't know.

 

[p123]

Yep, so it looks like it's back to retconning Super Saiyan 2 Gohan at the Budokai again for us. But there are statements that go against that as well.

Kaioshin says that they have such confidence because they can tap into a vast well of power like Son Goku did momentarily. Then he thinks about how hard it was to stop Gohan at the Budokai and that wasn't even his full power...

Hmmm...

 

[Lightsworn]

I don't interpret the situation as Gohan saying that his power will barely suffice to beat Boo. Since he is having trouble bringing out his true power, then the situation at hand seems very bad, but if he can, then it's okay. The reason the situation isn't exactly hopeless is because of the possibility that Gohan might be able to show his true power.

 

[p123]

So, you think by Gohan saying he can manage something, he means he can easily handle him?

 

[Lightsworn]

When does he say he can only manage something,?

 

[ahill1]

Yes, retcon would be the best option, but even so there are still some issues to be resolved:

... Why Vegeta said he did not know if their superiority to Gohan would change if the latter get enranged if Gohan ( enranged ) = Gohan SSJ2? Vegeta would not be able to determine the power of Gohan SSJ2 based on his SSJ power?

... Why Goku thinks that Gohan ( enranged ) would be the top dog if him as SSJ2 were still way weaker than Majin Vegeta/Goku SSJ2? Doesn't make much sense.

 

[p123]

Sorry about that," doesn't seem so much that there's nothing I can do... "



Viz- Seriously? I admit he has a ton of chi...But I don't know about hopeless...If I can use all my strength...

 

[ahill1]

This implies that Gohan ( true power ) is around Fat Boo ( initial ). Vegeta laughed at his power. This implies Majin Vegeta >> Fat Boo( initial ) ~ Gohan ( true power ).

This kinda show us that Gohan was merely a SSJ and that his "true power" would be his SSJ2.

 

[Lightsworn]

Sorry about that," doesn't seem so much that there's nothing I can do... "



Viz- Seriously? I admit he has a ton of chi...But I don't know about hopeless...If I can use all my strength...

The problem is that this will lead to a whole other discussion as to whether Gohan can control his rage or not. If his gets a rage boost that only lasts a few seconds, like always does, then even then he could have power far stronger than Boo, but might not be able to finish him off due to his regeneration, or just simply not having enough time to do it. After all, Gohan heard Goku tell him how strong he will be when he gets mad (stronger than everyone) so he knows how strong he could potentially become. So I don't believe power is any issues here.

 

[p123]

Yep, ahill, that's exactly how I'm taking this. And then the flaws have to be explained away.

I think you are missing the point Lightsworn. Gohan considers his true power to be far below Majin Vegeta. There is only one way that is possible, if he is a Super Saiyan. As a Super Saiyan 2, he would at least be his power as a kid, most likely more.

So we can tell by Gohan's estimation of his own abilities of whether he is talking about just Super Saiyan 2 or Super Saiyan 2 enraged.

 

[Lightsworn]

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[ahill1]

Is it possible to Gohan ( enranged/boo saga ) to be way stronger than himself as SSJ2 in the Budokai but be still far below Majin Vegeta?

 

[p123]

I find this the exact opposite of what you say. Goku and Vegeta's comments about potential rage boosts are nothing compared to concrete power comparisons. Goku and Vegeta are speaking on the hypothetical while Gohan is speaking in the here and now.

 

[Lightsworn]

I find this the exact opposite of what you say. Goku and Vegeta's comments about potential rage boosts are nothing compared to concrete power comparisons. Goku and Vegeta are speaking on the hypothetical while Gohan is speaking in the here and now.

Gohan is also speaking of his hypothetical rage power....

 

[p123]

If anyone knows his true power, I'd think Gohan knows it better than anyone else. And whether he's speaking about his rage power or Super Saiyan 2 power, that's up for debate.

 

[Lightsworn]

If anyone knows his true power, I'd think Gohan knows it better than anyone else. And whether he's speaking about his rage power or Super Saiyan 2 power, that's up for debate.

Gohan is actually shown to not know his rage power too well, nor does he really care. Piccolo had to convince him of it in the Saiyan Arc and he still coildn't really believe it and only Goku knew about it at the Cell Games. Goku should know as much as Gohan Gohan was thinking about Goku's advice to bring out all ofnhis power and to get mad, not to just simply turn Super Saiyan 2.

 

[p123]

Fair enough, so you think Gohan's True Power in his mind is somehow well above his Super Saiyan 2 power but well below his power he had as a kid?


Majin Vegeta >= Enraged Kid Gohan >> Enraged Teen Gohan >> SSJ2 Teen Gohan


At least in Gohan's mind, this is how it would work?

 

[Lightsworn]

Fair enough, so you think Gohan's True Power in his mind is somehow well above his Super Saiyan 2 power but well below his power he had as a kid?


Majin Vegeta >= Enraged Kid Gohan >> Enraged Teen Gohan >> SSJ2 Teen Gohan


At least in Gohan's mind, this is how it would work?

Gohan's potential is far greater than Goku's and Vegeta's, so I would say when he releases his hidden powers(aka rage boost) he should surpass Goku and Vegeta, hence Goku's quote.

However you wrote in "Gohan's mind". I think the only thing he is going off of is Goku's quote, which is why there is a panel of him rememebring what Goku told him.

 

[p123]

Which still hasn't answered my question. In Gohan's mind, please display the power chain.

 

[Lightsworn]

I did. I said he's going off of Goku's quote which is that he'll surpass everyone, and probably Vegeta's quote too. He sensed Ssj2 Goku's burst, but who knows if he thought that was his full power or if he thought he could power up more or of it even surpassed Ssj2 Gohan(Budokai). He knows Ssj2 Vegeta surpassed him, so the best chain I can come up with for what Gohan could be thinking is:

Enraged Gohan > Ssj2 Vegeta > Ssj2 Gohan