Recent Chapter Discussion

[SSJ2]

G4 Luffy shouldn't be all that strong if he needed G5 to fight Lucci of all people lmao

 

[Future Warrior]

G4 Luffy was exchanging blows with Kaido still, so it's pretty impressive lol.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah but it sounds like he was against Kizaru too. Kizaru smoked him similar to how Kaido did by the end of it, the difference is Luffy was completely fine after.

 

[Future Warrior]

Oh come on, Luffy was completely defensless from that strike.

 

[sei'taer]

Reading a lot into a single kick.

 

[Future Warrior]

Kizaru = Completely unscathed and casual
G4 Luffy = Sweating/Battle damaged/forced into G5

The chapter speaks for itself lol.

 

[SSJ2]

Nobody is contesting that though. What I'm saying is that Kizaru seemingly respected G4 Luffy, but clearly was still a tier or two above. Even though he was a tier or two below, Kizaru did almost no damage to him.

 

[Future Warrior]

Nobody is contesting that though. What I'm saying is that Kizaru seemingly respected G4 Luffy, but clearly was still a tier or two above. Even though he was a tier or two below, Kizaru did almost no damage to him.

Yeah I know, it wasn't against you lol.

I'm not actually suggesting the gap is big. I don't think Gear 5 is even that massive of a boost to be honest (aside from when he uses his strongest attacks)

 

[Future Warrior]

G4 Luffy shouldn't be all that strong if he needed G5 to fight Lucci of all people lmao

Zoro and Lucci are about equal in the recent chapter so I think we can safely say Luffy was just playing around lol.

 

[SSJ2]

I think Zoro is actually ahead of him. Zoro was trying but he also straight up called Lucci weak. Lucci even being alive right now is a joke in itself.

 

[sei'taer]

Kizaru was panting fighting Gear 5 luffy this chapter.

 

[SSJ2]

How strong do we think the Gorosei are now? Weaker than the admirals?

 

[Future Warrior]

So is Luffy = Kizaru a safe bet?

 

[SSJ2]

Looks that way, yeah.

 

[Future Warrior]

As for the Gorosei, it’s possible they are stronger than an admiral. If so, I’m curious as to who exactly would they be pitted against in the Final War when there are 5 of them lol.

 

[SSJ2]

I just feel after that epic entrance the Gorosei have to at least be on that level. Also I guess Luffy isn't quite on Kaido's level then.

 

[Future Warrior]

Also I guess Luffy isn't quite on Kaido's level then.

If that's the case then good lol. Oda thought the best way to force Luffy into a top tier was having Luffy pull 3 power ups out of his ass in a single arc.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah it makes more sense for Luffy not to be on that level yet. Still though, with Kaido constantly stressing the importance of Haki, it seems odd for Luffy to beat him if his Haki was lower.

 

[ahill1]

It seems Kizaru ~ Kaido to me. Kaido just had the strongest in the world alias because of his roughness and brute strength. Still, when he was on G5 it was clear he was about even with Kaido, edging him out in the final blow. Similarly, Luffy spent all his strength to stop Kizaru landing that final hit, and we don't even know if that took Kizaru out for good. Nika Luffy took out Kaido upon wasting all his strength much in a similar way. It just seems like the admirals are tied up in terms of power and prowess with the Emperors, for more that the story seemed to show otherwise when the focus was on the Emperors, but now Kizaru forcing Luffy to his limits as Nika pretty much implies in one on one the admirals are as impressive as the Yonkos. Maybe the lead the Yonkos had as in hesitating the admirals to attack them was their vast crew, which they couldn't compensate with the marines, but having assistance from the world government with the now powered up versions of CP0 such as Lucci, it'd be a hell of a battle just as it's being now with the straw hats, with Zoro, still for the likes of it, having his hands full with Lucci.

I predict Zoro will take down Lucci, but it won't be easy. It will force him to his limits like King did more or less. Zoro said something like "if this is all this guy has, then it shouldn't fall to the captain to defeat him", which isn't the same as calling him weak, just not strong enough so Luffy would need worrying dealing with him. I dunno which battle Sanji will take, maybe vs Kaku, but I find that a little unlikely.

But yeah, as strange as it sounds, it seems like the admirals are up there to the Emperor's levels and Lucci and the CP0 are up there with Kaido's strongest subordinates. We all know that power ups go up immensely for anyone, just not the main cast, in shounens. I wouldn't like for Lucci to have become that strong but if Luffy did and Lucci was always seen as the gifted one from the CP9, having now achieved staff of CP0, it isn't that hard to swallow. Still tho, what was dumb, was Luffy using G5 to battle Lucci, but he was still whooping his ass at least. So Lucci is likely to be somewhat below G4 Luffy at his maximum when he was giving Kaido a good time, and just there at Zoro's and King's level, more like in between the Luffy that fell to Kaido when Kaido said his techniques were still lacking (when Luffy had learned the Haki part 2) and the Luffy who learned using Haki with Haoshoku and was entertaining Kaido... more like a

Luffy vs Kaido (when Luffy was KO'd 1 hit) : 1
Luffy (upon training the invisible shield Haki) : 3
Zoro/King/Lucci : 4
Luffy (learning Haoshoku in the attacks and with G4) : 5
Luffy Nika/Kaido/Kizaru : 7

 

[SSJ2]

Maybe the lead the Yonkos had as in hesitating the admirals to attack them was their vast crew,

But sick Whitebeard with half of a head was still physically dominating Akainu