Captain Cadaver said:
Kenshi said:
Even when Nail was suppressed Kuririn said compared to other Namekians, only he possessed a power that was amazing by comparison - which doesn't sound like he's only 1.4x stronger than the average Namekian fighter (e.g. complete fodder to Dodoria).
1.4x the average Namekians is pretty amazing by comparison, especially when how much of a gap is required for certain feats or classifications tends to be purely dependant on the plot when considering battle powers are far from a linear scale.
It's still one shot material to any named person in Freeza's army aside from
suppressed Appule. And Kuririn and Gohan weren't worrying for Nail's life when Vegeta was picking a fight with him. I'd put him closer to 28,000 when he's suppressed than 4200.
Goku's 150 million Daizenshuu level refers to his full power as a SSJ rather than whatever level he was dicking around with against 50% Freeza, so I don't really see the 250K power referring to his Jheese level as anything but an excuse.
It can be argued that Vegeta wasn't able to access his level against Freeza as his full power until the nap to relieve his fatigue, so the 250k against Jheese would still fit as his full power at that time. Granted, I admit the likelihood of this is questionable when the same page displays levels for Gohan and Kuririn clearly meant to be what they're at during the battle against Freeza.
Exactly. I think it's just one of many hundreds, maybe thousands of manga guidebook statements clearly having been written by people who didn't put in enough thought. In Kenshin's Kanzenban guidebook, they put that cannon arm guy that Kenshin always defeated with utter ease, who couldn't even blitz Yahiko - as a 4/5 on the battle power scale which is on par with the likes of Usui, Jin'e and pre-Hiko training non-Battosai Kenshin. Compare that to Gein getting only a 3/5 rating despite having better feats and requiring SOME effort from a master like Aoshi to defeat, and we can see the guidebooks had their heads up their asses. There's also Mikami from Death Note being given an 8/10 knowledge rating (which is higher than even Mello) despite the fact that he was the bane behind Light's defeat and the only thing he did that ever could qualify as smart would be encrypting the messages he sent as the stand-in for Kira. And these are just examples from two series. Vegeta being half the power he should be if he can egg on Freeza to transform and presumably at least get up to 650,000~700,000 is a joke, Nappa being 2x weaker than base Goku is a joke if Goku calls him an unbelievably tough bastard and says he can't finish this fast.
Bottom line is, guidebook statements only carry weight if they don't contradict the manga, just like something like the DBS anime only carries any weight if it fits in with the original (pre-Tracetaro) manga in my opinion.
. I guess him stepping in and the plot needing to remove him would suggest his power's indeed above Current UI Goku and Planet Moro, confirming they probably haven't surpassed Broly in raw power (or the manga's going to get on board with constantly retconning Beerus' strength too 
).
