Recent Chapter Discussion

[Captain Cadaver]

So yeah, Galu giving Moro a Senzu is just as idiotic and a disgrace to his character as we all thought. Moving on, we get almost as stupid a piece of characterisation from Moro with him calling training a crutch for the weak. Uh...in what way and to what mindset do power ups reliant on another source as sustenance a superior method with more strength of character than training to improve one's body without enhancements? Even citing past villains like Cell and Boo, the former was at least programmed to gain a permanent boost from absorbing #17 and #18 whereas the latter didn't necessarily need to absorb people for his diet. On the topic of weird statements, Whis stating UI increases durability is pretty redundant. I mean wow, I had no idea a mode that allowed Galu to take hits from a beyond limits Jiren when he could barely take punches from a weaker version of him prior offered a buff in durability!
UI Goku VS UI Moro had its okay moments such as Goku showing he's far more skilled even when equal in power, something that would be nice if not for how much worse this retroactively makes him trying to buff UI Sign's power . Once Moro starts being unable to control Merus' power and pulls a Grade 3, we get even more idiocy from him with him bringing up the planets he's consumed...as though that should have any relevance to guys who can destroy the universe if they wish . This also makes the ultimatum at the end pretty stupid when Goku could just be pragmatic by destroying Moro, using Shunkan Ido to escape just in time and restoring everyone to life with the Namekian Dragon Balls. It's not as though he's avoided pragmatism as we saw in the Cell and Boo Arcs, but then again, this definitely isn't a Goku with the same level of intellect he had then 2. What's most confusing about all this is how Whis knew Moro's death would destroy the galaxy. We've seen that despite some DBZ characters being capable of destroying the Solar System, things such as Cell's death or Boo destroying Earth were all condensed down to a planet's radius at most. Hell, we even see this in FnF, so there's no real reason Goku making the hard choice would result in more than a planet's destruction if not for Toyotaro needing to force in more conflict artificially.
Guess the most likely solution now will be Vegeta managing to get up and do Spirit Fission to beat Moro or Whis doing a time reset. The former route would be one okay element at least.

Onto power-scaling, Goku confirms Moro is the toughest enemy he's ever faced and UI Moro states his and Galu's power are equal, so Current UI Goku = Merus = UI Moro >> 73 Moro > LSSJ Broly > ToP UI Goku > Beyond Limits Jiren. Guess I was wrong about UI Sign and UI's power not increasing along with Goku's general power. That, or they just instantly progressed through fighting Moro, which makes Whis' statement a bit more logical. Also, since Moro surpassed Beerus (treating DBS Broly's script as canon to the manga), I guess we'll see the manga doing a firm retcon to Beerus' power in the future 2.

So, to no surprise, a pretty awful chapter. I did find the panel of Moro breaking his hand on Galu's godly abs superficially cool at least, even if a poor man's version of what happened to Super #13. Also, the panels with Moro merged with the ground are the funniest shit in the manga thus far. Can't even explain why, but I end up laughing each time I see that derpy face .

 

[Papasmurf]

Lmao @ Moro merging with the planet because Galu was so stupid that he fucking healed him without defeating him first or even finding the tiniest potential for redemption (it was at least explained that Majunior wasn't as evil as his father). If you drag out a whole chapter just to give Moro essentially a useless transformation (his third one!), then say that he's merged with the planet... why the hell are you LIMITING the amount of damage he can do if he's killed? Universal destruction was already a thing against Beerus, so galactic destruction is just a poor show at this point

The threat of universal destruction would at least mean Namekian Dragon Balls can't be used to undo the damage and could even threaten the existence of the Super DBs, but nope, Tracetaro just fails to deliver on all counts due to his massive retardation.

Should've just been Galu ragdolling Moro until he is knocked into the same place the arm was in through unbelievable luck, if they really wanted Moro to get more powerful. No Senzus or character assassination required. Since Angels can restore the dead to life, Moro healing himself then wouldn't have even been unbelievable. Sasuga Autismotaro

Didn't even read the UI Moro vs. UI Galu part because I knew it'd just be pointless padding to drag on the chapter so it can end on the I AM ONE WITH THE PLANET Guardians of the Galaxy ripoff cliffhanger.

0/10 chapter as I expected. Only thing even remotely in character was Goku finding it to be a shame that Moro is so strong yet so evil (like with FnF Freeza), but even that Galu ended up killing Freeza when he destroyed the planet. Moro's destroyed multiple planets, so I guess Super Goku's IQ is prone to being halved every 3 chapters

 

[SSJ2]

Holy fuck that was some prime entertainment!

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Quite possibly the most demented chapter in Dragon Ball history

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Obviously, that whole thing about Moro not being able to control Merus' power was a lie and he's just trying to use Gear 3rd .

 

[Papasmurf]

Onto power-scaling, Goku confirms Moro is the toughest enemy he's ever faced and UI Moro states his and Galu's power are equal, so Current UI Goku = Merus = UI Moro >> 73 Moro > LSSJ Broly > ToP UI Goku > Beyond Limits Jiren. Guess I was wrong about UI Sign and UI's power not increasing along with Goku's general power. That, or they just instantly progressed through fighting Moro, which makes Whis' statement a bit more logical. Also, since Moro surpassed Beerus (treating DBS Broly's script as canon to the manga), I guess we'll see the manga doing a firm retcon to Beerus' power in the future 2.

With how severe Toyotaro's Alzheimers is, I really doubt he's taking Broly arc events into account when it comes to powerscaling

This shit's even more illogical than the Super anime was (which at least makes a potentially animated Moro arc some prime meme material if Toei fucks that up further like they usually do post-1996), so while I really shouldn't be making excuses for it at this point (because that attitude is just enabling and Toyo to reap maximum profit for minimum effort)... you could at least make the argument that LSSJ Broly wasn't fought by Goku but by Gogeta, so the "strongest enemy I fought" isn't necessarily so binding that Moro's newer forms are greatly above Hakaishin level. There are also some other examples of "strongest" statements not including past entities such as Super Baby 1 being "the greatest power" or "Saiya power" or whatever despite the fact that SSJ2/3 Vegetto from the Boo arc could wipe the floor with him (which Baby should know through Vegeta's memories), I suppose. Although that's a bit reaching since Vegetto never existed in GT, but it's at least more solid than any DBS logic

I used to at least consider GT to be more boring than Super and enjoy Super slightly more as a demolition show, but it's gone above and beyond being an insult to OG Dragon Ball and Z and just feels like Kubo and Horikoshi did an astral projection and GASLIGHTED Tracetaro into achieving critical retardation.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku says he's never come across anyone as tough as him though rather than just those he's fought, so LSSJ Broly would still be included in that statement, unless it's revealed manga Broly is way weaker than his movie self in a later arc (which, given the power escalation of the series, seems like a very unlikely assumption if he's indeed going to be used in a later arc). That, or Moro's magic provides him heightened durability in a similar manner to Lord :bitch's natural ability to push his broken neck back into place (which would line up with Moro's SSG tier self enduring a kick from PSSB Vegeta in their first battle).

 

[Papasmurf]

Point taken. I didn't get into semantics because as soon as I read the chapter the neurons in my brain immediately wiped all but the more significant events out of my immediate memory, so the exact way the dialogue was worded was not retained in my brain

I guess that means we'll be seeing some arc in the future where Beerus' backstory is explored just so he can also get a MEMORY AND POTENTIAL UNLOCK like Mr. Boo and reclaim his position as an unreachable goalpost

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Or he'll finally master UI when inspired by Galu's performance not to slack off, changing from a cornish rex into a white haired Persian 2

 

[Papasmurf]

With how Tracetaro gave Vegeta affirmative action by copying the anime's addition of SSJBE and yet still made him multiple times weaker than MUI Goku, I think Toriyama and his faggot apprentice probably are going to keep UI as a power up for Goku and the Angels only tbh.

It'd be pretty weird too for Beerus to have spent all the thousands or millions of years he trained with Whis being unable to master UI and suddenly have that power in less than 3 years (assuming they finally pull the plug on DBS' sordid existence before they get past EoZ). Not that impossible stuff doesn't happen on a chapterly basis in Subpar

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It'd be pretty weird too for Beerus to have spent all the thousands or millions of years he trained with Whis being unable to master UI and suddenly have that power in less than 3 years (assuming they finally pull the plug on DBS' sordid existence before they get past EoZ). Not that impossible stuff doesn't happen on a chapterly basis in Subpar

I mean, DBS is in many ways just Bleach 2.0. when it comes to things such as how God Ki works and the God hierarchy, or the countless retcons, so I wouldn't put it past Toriyama and Trashtaro to have Beerus pull a Byakuya .

For a more consistent answer, they could explain that Beerus needed to fully observe Galu's battles using the technique in order to fully master it or figure out what he was missing.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I've never seen Whis look so annoyed ever. He legit looks like he's tired of Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Whis speaks for all of us at this point .

 

[Papasmurf]

It'd be pretty weird too for Beerus to have spent all the thousands or millions of years he trained with Whis being unable to master UI and suddenly have that power in less than 3 years (assuming they finally pull the plug on DBS' sordid existence before they get past EoZ). Not that impossible stuff doesn't happen on a chapterly basis in Subpar

I mean, DBS is in many ways just Bleach 2.0. when it comes to things such as how God Ki works and the God hierarchy, or the countless retcons, so I wouldn't put it past Toriyama and Trashtaro to have Beerus pull a Byakuya .

I'm not saying it's impossible, but the necessity for Beerus to be a tenably unreachable benchmark obviously was lessened heavily by Broly's existence and by Hakaishin tier mortals like Jiren existing, so the demand for such an asspull is not so high. Toriyama clearly went back on his old plans to not have the heroes surpass Beerus with Vegetto/Gogeta/MUI all surpassing Beerus by varying amounts.

At this point I prefer Bleach to Super, pacing issues aside. At least aside from the lack of backgrounds Kubo's art is slightly better than Toyo's, and a below average and overrated arc like Soul Society existing makes the beginning of the manga slightly more worthwhile than Dretardation Ball Subpar: Homage, Ripoff, or Tracing?

For a more consistent answer, they could explain that Beerus needed to fully observe Galu's battles using the technique in order to fully master it or figure out what he was missing.

Which is still a shitty excuse when he was trained by someone with flawless UI for eons 2

 

[Future Warrior]

Also, when the fuck was the last time Moro used his magic? You know, his whole gimmick since the beginning of the arc? I don't even remember what his abilities were.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Think he used it last chapter to cause a lava eruption against UI Galu, to no avail.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I've never seen Whis look so annoyed ever. He legit looks like he's tired of Goku.

Honestly, when are they going to end this arc?

 

[Papasmurf]

Toyotaro in the Future Trunks arc: Goku tries to stop the Zamasus from fusing and brought the coupon instead of the talisman by mistake

Toyotaro in 2020: Goku shrugs off all warning and feeds Senzus to villains he's one step away from beating within an inch of their lives and imprisoning them (which he wants to do)

I hope Toyotaro gets scammed for all the money he's undeservingly made. It'd be some nice karmic justice.

 

[Pyro]

They became savvy to his energy absorption and it became useless, so he stopped using it. His other shit was already useless against their weaker forms.

So Moro is the "toughest" Goku's ever faced. How do we interpret that? Including Beerus, Jiren, Broly? Definitely includes Jiren, and probably should include Broly. But if it includes Broly, that means Beerus has gotten another retcon (or the "Goku doesn't know Beerus' full power" excuse is true) because Beerus is still unaffected by Moro's existence.

Beerus > UI Goku > Moro (Merus absorbed) > Moro (7-3 absorbed) > UIO Goku

Where do Broly and Jiren fit in there?

 

[Papasmurf]

There's nothing really saying Beerus is stronger than pre-Merus absorption Moro, at least at this moment. Since Toyotaro's retardation has reached critical mass though, anythings possible in Toyble land.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]