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[Let's Go Fearless!]

The bullet moment wasn't supposed to be taken seriously either. Just a means of motivating Goku to go train with Whis and move the plot forward.

Calm down bruh! We haven't read the entire chapter and how the hell did you come into the conclusion? That's ignorance stop it. We just saw a few panels here and there that's all.

You're going to excuse every bullshit moment that happens in the manga when you and plenty others whined back when the bullet shit happened the anime? Talk about double standards.

There aren't bullshit things in the Manga at all other than fans who analyze everything after if this is a science or something even though this is a fiction and entertainment lol. I already refuted your complaint so I'll be here if you want me to do it again.

Also as for the bullet thing, no I'm not one who complained about it.

What's worse is Zeno destroying the multiverse just to destroy all the fused zamasu clones. It's ridiculous overkill here in comparison to the anime where Zamasu had just fused with the universe making it unsalvageable. Zeno easily could've just killed them all here without such crazy collateral damage.

Then again, we don't know why he destroyed the entire universe since WE HAVEN'T READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER YET So calm your tits and wait to see the reason why.

You losers have no patients at all.

 

[xenos5]

Then again, we don't know why he destroyed the entire universe since WE HAVEN'T READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER YET So calm your tits and wait to see the reason why.

You losers have no patients at all.

Every time I wait and the full chapter comes out nothing really makes more sense. Trunks being a healer was still bullshit when the full chapter came out, full power SSB was still bullshit when the full chapter came out, Manga Goku pulling hakai out of his ass was still bullshit when the full chapter came out. So excuse me for not expecting it to be any better.

 

[Future Warrior]

So Trunks subconsciously forming a genki-dama from 10 people and then absorbing it to defeat a merged being is somehow not bullshit?

 

[xenos5]

So Trunks subconsciously forming a genki-dama from 10 people and then absorbing it to defeat a merged being is somehow not bullshit?

It is but it was better symbolically for Trunks to have done that since it's HIS arc after all. He should not be sidelined in the future TRUNKS arc. It's bigger bullshit to give Goku a asspull transformation and have him asspull a technique EXCLUSIVE to the gods (heck it's explained later that it uses its own energy source, energy of destruction, rather than ki for usage for it making it even more bullshit for him to use it) when he's never seen it and heard Beerus only mention it. Goku Black and Zamasu being bitches in the manga just compounds everything as it's not fun to see the main villain have a hissy fit when things don't go his way. I'd much rather what we got in the anime with Goku Black being mostly unfazed or even happy when the main characters get power boosts as he enjoys challenges due to the body he's inhabiting influencing his mind. Fusion Zamasu's descent into the madness was much more enjoyable as well with him at the end going out as an eldritch monster.

 

[Future Warrior]

So Trunks subconsciously forming a genki-dama from 10 people and then absorbing it to defeat a merged being is somehow not bullshit?

It is but it was better symbolically for Trunks to have done that since it's HIS arc after all. He should not be sidelined in the future TRUNKS arc. It's bigger bullshit to give Goku a asspull transformation and have him asspull a technique EXCLUSIVE to the gods (heck it's explained later that it uses its own energy source, energy of destruction, rather than ki for usage for it making it even more bullshit for him to use it) when he's never seen it and heard Beerus only mention it. Goku Black and Zamasu being bitches in the manga just compounds everything as it's not fun to see the main villain have a hissy fit when things don't go his way. I'd much rather what we got in the anime with Goku Black being mostly unfazed or even happy when the main characters get power boosts as he enjoys challenges due to the body he's inhabiting influencing his mind. Fusion Zamasu's descent into the madness was much more enjoyable as well with him at the end going out as an eldritch monster.

I agree with some of the things you said, but some of them are easily justifiable. While I agree that Trunks should have had a more prominent role in the manga's version of the arc, I'd prefer he'd be a sideline character rather than the multiple asspulls he's gotten in the anime. Getting Super Saiyan Rage and with no explanation on what it is, learning the mafuba just by watching a video of Piccolo doing it, forming a genki-dama. They could have easily thought up of other ways on Trunks defeating MZ, such as teaming up with SSB Vegetto and delivering the final blow, maybe slice him in half while he's off guard. Completed SSB isn't as much of an asspull as SS Rage imo because they at least explained what it is and even implied that Goku thought he wasn't ready to use it yet. Beerus could have easily showed them the Hakai technique while Goku and Vegeta were training with Whis which explains how both of them are aware of it. As far Goku Black and Zamasu being pussies, Cell and Freeza acted the same when under similar circumstances. Not only that, but Black only acted like a pussy because he wasn't aware that the zenkai that he would get from SSB Vegeta would make that much stronger. If anime Goku Black was under the same position before he learned to master Goku's body I'm sure he would had that reaction. Even in the manga Black wasn't throwing a fit when losing to SSG Vegeta. I personally didn't like grotesque Zamasu and was happy that he didn't appear in the manga. MZ duplicating himself makes more sense in the manga because it at least has some logic to it, contrary to what happened in the anime when he became the fucking universe. The powerscaling is relatively better in the manga than in the anime too, imo. Both have an equal number of asspulls, but the manga explains them better. Don't confuse me for someone who wanks off the Super manga, because I dislike both the anime and manga, but I personally think the manga is somewhat better.

 

[Jeff Styles]

It's still weird seeing Goku and Vegeta in normal clothes. Seeing Zamaus being scared of Zeno seems fitting. He know he can't defeated the king of all, so his natural response was fly like all hell. I feel like Freeza would've done a similar thing if Beerus decided to stop him in FnF.

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[Let's Go Fearless!]

Then again, we don't know why he destroyed the entire universe since WE HAVEN'T READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER YET So calm your tits and wait to see the reason why.

You losers have no patients at all.

Every time I wait and the full chapter comes out nothing really makes more sense. Trunks being a healer was still bullshit when the full chapter came out, full power SSB was still bullshit when the full chapter came out, Manga Goku pulling hakai out of his ass was still bullshit when the full chapter came out. So excuse me for not expecting it to be any better.

Dude, stop fooling yourself around. Trunks being a healer was explained, he was said to have been training as Kaioshin apprentice and it makes sense for him to learn how to heal since both Zamasu and Kibito are apprentice and has an ability to heal. OK?

Full Power SSjinB was bullshit? I already refuted this shit. Ascended Super Saiyan and SSjin3 are both came out of nowhere and somehow you're ok with it but you don't on FPSSjinB? Double standard indeed.

Goku pulling the Hakai move is bullshit?

Stop fooling yourself boy!

 

[xenos5]

Then again, we don't know why he destroyed the entire universe since WE HAVEN'T READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER YET So calm your tits and wait to see the reason why.

You losers have no patients at all.

Every time I wait and the full chapter comes out nothing really makes more sense. Trunks being a healer was still bullshit when the full chapter came out, full power SSB was still bullshit when the full chapter came out, Manga Goku pulling hakai out of his ass was still bullshit when the full chapter came out. So excuse me for not expecting it to be any better.

Dude, stop fooling yourself around. Trunks being a healer was explained, he was said to have been training as Kaioshin apprentice and it makes sense for him to learn how to heal since both Zamasu and Kibito are apprentice and has an ability to heal. OK?

Full Power SSjinB was bullshit? I already refuted this shit. Ascended Super Saiyan and SSjin3 are both came out of nowhere and somehow you're ok with it but you don't on FPSSjinB? Double standard indeed.

Goku pulling the Hakai move is bullshit?

Stop fooling yourself boy!

Just because you accept the manga's bullshit doesn't mean I have to. I don't have to accept your excuses at all.

Trunks being a healer was executed horribly with him somehow unconsciously healing Mai and not even knowing he had healing powers all this time like the Supreme Kai does not even fucking know what powers the ritual he does gives to someone. And I don't even think the Supreme Kai should be able to do a ritual to make someone his apprentice tbh. Only Elder Kai did magic rituals and that was because he was fused with a witch. And Supreme Kai didn't have healing powers of his own to begin with which is why they had to rely on Dende for that throughout the buu arc. So why can he give someone powers he doesn't have himself?

FPSSB was something pulled out of Toyble's ass. SSJ2 had foreshadowing with it being the culmination of Gohan's rageboosts. SSJ3 didn't have foreshadowing but it made sense for Goku to be the one to achieve it since Goku was ahead of Vegeta in reaching FPSSJ and had 7 years to train in the other world. Mastered SSB it makes NO SENSE for Goku to be the one to achieve it since Vegeta trained much longer in the hyperbolic time chamber and all Goku did is train with the Mafuba. FPSSJ took a year of training in the hyperbolic time chamber to master. So how could a much more powerful form with god ki take much less time to master?

Goku never saw Beerus use hakai. Nothing has shown that. The most evidence i've seen is Beerus mentioning Hakai while Goku and Vegeta were around but that does nothing to explain the properties of the technique or how to use it. It's especially bullshit with us now knowing Hakai uses energy of destruction which ONLY GoDS HAVE.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Every time I wait and the full chapter comes out nothing really makes more sense. Trunks being a healer was still bullshit when the full chapter came out, full power SSB was still bullshit when the full chapter came out, Manga Goku pulling hakai out of his ass was still bullshit when the full chapter came out. So excuse me for not expecting it to be any better.

Dude, stop fooling yourself around. Trunks being a healer was explained, he was said to have been training as Kaioshin apprentice and it makes sense for him to learn how to heal since both Zamasu and Kibito are apprentice and has an ability to heal. OK?

Full Power SSjinB was bullshit? I already refuted this shit. Ascended Super Saiyan and SSjin3 are both came out of nowhere and somehow you're ok with it but you don't on FPSSjinB? Double standard indeed.

Goku pulling the Hakai move is bullshit?

Stop fooling yourself boy!

Just because you accept the manga's bullshit doesn't mean I have to. I don't have to accept your excuses at all.

Trunks being a healer was executed horribly with him somehow unconsciously healing Mai and not even knowing he had healing powers all this time like the Supreme Kai does not even fucking know what powers the ritual he does gives to someone. And I don't even think the Supreme Kai should be able to do a ritual to make someone his apprentice tbh. Only Elder Kai did magic rituals and that was because he was fused with a witch. And Supreme Kai didn't have healing powers of his own to begin with which is why they had to rely on Dende for that throughout the buu arc. So why can he give someone powers he doesn't have himself?

FPSSB was something pulled out of Toyble's ass. SSJ2 had foreshadowing with it being the culmination of Gohan's rageboosts. SSJ3 didn't have foreshadowing but it made sense for Goku to be the one to achieve it since Goku was ahead of Vegeta in reaching FPSSJ and had 7 years to train in the other world. Mastered SSB it makes NO SENSE for Goku to be the one to achieve it since Vegeta trained much longer in the hyperbolic time chamber and all Goku did is train with the Mafuba. FPSSJ took a year of training in the hyperbolic time chamber to master. So how could a much more powerful form with god ki take much less time to master?

Goku never saw Beerus use hakai. Nothing has shown that. The most evidence i've seen is Beerus mentioning Hakai while Goku and Vegeta were around but that does nothing to explain the properties of the technique or how to use it. It's especially bullshit with us now knowing Hakai uses energy of destruction which ONLY GoDS HAVE.

Terrible opinion and excuses. Both are exactly same thing lol but you're just being denial.

 

[xenos5]

Terrible opinion and excuses. Both are exactly same thing lol but you're just being denial.

So you're not going to make a rebuttal worth my time, manga apologist? I'm not blind to the faults of the manga or the anime. But you'll just accept down whatever garbage Toyble shoves down your throat and claim it's better than the anime even with asspulls just as bad or worse in some cases. And much more boring versions of the antagonists in the anime.

 

[Jiren the Gray]

This saga is a mess in both versions

 

[Void]

Both arcs turned into garbage.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/digital/dragon-ball-super-chapter-26/6074?read=1

 

[Pyro]

Does anyone think it might've simply been Toriyama's direction that made this saga a mess?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Well, looks like the manga's ending of the arc was less of a trainwreck than the anime's at least. Alongside adding a lot more information and even seemingly foreshadowing Hakaishin tier sealing being used later on, as what Beerus did with Elder Kaioshin, the tone of the ending is more fitting. Sure, you can say that the bittersweet ending of the anime is more original, but that means little when the tone makes no sense. Trunks is just going to go back to a world that's virtually the same as the one he left, so he didn't actually lose anything. It's one thing to be a trainwreck, but another to be pretentious in your tone, thereby giving the manga more positives than the anime's execution of the ending.

Does anyone think it might've simply been Toriyama's direction that made this saga a mess?

The arc was doomed the moment that time reset nonsense started that convoluted what was up until that point a fairly solid Time Travel system, so I doubt better direction would've improved the arc much.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

The manga did two things better

the ending with the trillion merged zamasus and Vegeta and Goku planning on staying to die rather than spirit bomb trunks plus crazy zamas

And pilaf asking mai what happened to him in the future and mai's response

Other than that that anime was superior.

Great chapter, it helps that the arc is a top tier one as well.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The chapter was great, it was almost impossible for them to defeat Merged Zamasu who can travel either from the past or to the future which made them desperate. Fun chapter indeed, but Zamasu 's death was kinda boring like Cell's death in the Manga but the anime made it even better.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

The best part was Bulma hugging Vegeta

 

[xenos5]

Well, looks like the manga's ending of the arc was less of a trainwreck than the anime's at least. Alongside adding a lot more information and even seemingly foreshadowing Hakaishin tier sealing being used later on, as what Beerus did with Elder Kaioshin, the tone of the ending is more fitting. Sure, you can say that the bittersweet ending of the anime is more original, but that means little when the tone makes no sense. Trunks is just going to go back to a world that's virtually the same as the one he left, so he didn't actually lose anything. It's one thing to be a trainwreck, but another to be pretentious in your tone, thereby giving the manga more positives than the anime's execution of the ending.

Does anyone think it might've simply been Toriyama's direction that made this saga a mess?

The arc was doomed the moment that time reset nonsense started that convoluted what was up until that point a fairly solid Time Travel system, so I doubt better direction would've improved the arc much.

I vehemently disagree. The people Trunks cares about in his timeline are different people than the one in the earlier version of the timeline Whis is creating. He will never see them again. He failed to save them. You don't just brush off loss like that because you're going to be with people who are "practically" the same. That is inhuman and unfeeling. Trunks was shafted in his own arc both character-wise and focus-wise and that is inexcusable.

 

[SSJ2]

Chapter 26 was fucking awful. The manga is done.