Recent Chapter Discussion

[SSJ2]

Ok thanks. I'm so pumped!!!!

 

[Void]

Ok thanks. I'm so pumped!!!!

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Ok thanks. I'm so pumped!!!!

 

[SSJ2]

MUI Roshi

 

[SSJ2]

Do you guys think Son Kakarot will defeat Giran with MUI in the mango?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think so.

Also I didn't think about this until now but Master-Roshi dodges so fast in the manga you see him multiple times like ghosting. That's usually a sign of supreme speed.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The next chapter should trigger most of the fans again.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, because Toei's Ultra-Insitinct wasn't the same exact concept. This is AT's fault. Ultra-Instinct as that is was already taught to Goku by Mr. Popo. He either forgot or whatever. Toyotaro pointed that out, Toei ignored it. At-least he acknowledged the stupidity of it.

Only going back at it, but I don't think Ultra Instinct is quite the same thing as whatever Goku was taught by Popo. Regarding Popo's teachings, it was more dodging without the need to use the eyes, by feeling the opponents' movements in another way that doesn't require to be actively looking at the opponent. UI seems to be more of an advanced concept, in which the user's body would move and react by its own. When dodging Tenshinhan at the 23rd Budokai for example Goku had to still think about his actions and movements, apparently... with U.I he'd manage to dodge senselessly, not needing to put his senses to work. The U.I is a more advanced thing compared to Goku's previous teachings. It seems all of his teachings culminates in the U.I. So I don't think Goku had to have necessarily forgotten about Popo's teachings in order to still have yet to master the U.I. Roshi was apparently employing such teachings (as was Beerus) and yet what they pulled off in their fight was still a far cry of the technique, as described by Whis.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Do you guys think Son Kakarot will defeat Giran with MUI in the mango?

That's how the anime ended (I think) and Toyotaro isn't the most creative person, so yes.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That's how the anime ended (I think) and Toyotaro isn't the most creative person, so yes.

Anime ended with SSJ Galu and Freeza beating Jiren and #17 being the last man standing. I assume either this or Freeza and #17 beating Jiren will be the conclusion, seeing as how Toei wouldn't pass up the opportunity to have Goku bring home the win if it was part of Toriyama's script.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Anime ended with SSJ Galu and Freeza beating Jiren and #17 being the last man standing. I assume either this or Freeza and #17 beating Jiren will be the conclusion, seeing as how Toei wouldn't pass up the opportunity to have Goku bring home the win if it was part of Toriyama's script.

What was even the point of UI then?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So Galu can switch hair colours more than a Tumblr feminist. 2

That, and make him Hakaishin tier only temporarily so there isn't too much power creep (as redundant as that is), I guess.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, because Toei's Ultra-Insitinct wasn't the same exact concept. This is AT's fault. Ultra-Instinct as that is was already taught to Goku by Mr. Popo. He either forgot or whatever. Toyotaro pointed that out, Toei ignored it. At-least he acknowledged the stupidity of it.

Only going back at it, but I don't think Ultra Instinct is quite the same thing as whatever Goku was taught by Popo. Regarding Popo's teachings, it was more dodging without the need to use the eyes, by feeling the opponents' movements in another way that doesn't require to be actively looking at the opponent. UI seems to be more of an advanced concept, in which the user's body would move and react by its own. When dodging Tenshinhan at the 23rd Budokai for example Goku had to still think about his actions and movements, apparently... with U.I he'd manage to dodge senselessly, not needing to put his senses to work. The U.I is a more advanced thing compared to Goku's previous teachings. It seems all of his teachings culminates in the U.I. So I don't think Goku had to have necessarily forgotten about Popo's teachings in order to still have yet to master the U.I. Roshi was apparently employing such teachings (as was Beerus) and yet what they pulled off in their fight was still a far cry of the technique, as described by Whis.

So if Master Roshi knows of it and Goku surpassed his skill long ago, that means Goku did in-fact forget his teachings.

 

[Pyro]

Goku's intelligence depends on the plot. Sometimes he's rather wise and motivational, other times he's a complete idiot that needs someone to hold his hand through simple strategy and concepts.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

So if Master Roshi knows of it and Goku surpassed his skill long ago, that means Goku did in-fact forget his teachings.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

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Summary:

- Freeza destroys ring, Dyspo and Toppo are about to fall
- They ask Jiren for help, but Jiren says "no, you are weak". Toppo and Dyspo are out.
- Jiren injures Golden Freeza and 17 self-destructs
- Vegeta is angry at Goku surpassing him and does well against Jiren. But then doesn't stand a chance once Jiren gets serious
- Goku activates UI on command, tells Vegeta to leave Jiren to him

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So, no Manly GAINZ :mikey.

Many may be disappointed that they didn't get a moment to shine, but considering their only purpose was to act as victory trophies for Vegeta and Gohan/Freeza in the anime, I couldn't care less, especially when Toppo's transformation in the anime was completely contrived. Glad to know Toyotaro just wants to get this arc over with.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Lame, one of the good thing came from ToP anime is Hakaishin Toppo and yet it didn't appear in the manga at all?

 

[Pyro]

So Freeza decides to pull a Namek and destroy the ring, which eliminates Toppo and Dyspo...but why? I want to know what set him off.

I wonder if they're keeping #17's return until the next chapter.

I wonder if the next chapter is going to be the last since we're already down to Jiren, UI Goku, a battle-worn Vegeta and Freeza. That's pretty much the final group in the anime.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Lame, one of the good thing came from ToP anime is Hakaishin Toppo

Other than, you know, common sense making it completely contrived that he'd gain this from throwing aside his justice when he basically said fuck justice to a dozen or so episodes prior.