The gap between Goku SSJ (Mecha saga) and Piccolo (Androids saga/pre Kami)

[kriss-]

Vegeta got back up but Trunks was clearly knocked out.

The two are not close and the statements do not override how easily he was taken out.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta got back up but Trunks was clearly knocked out.

The two are not close and the statements do not override how easily he was taken out.

The two are fairly close. They were lumped together. Natural toughness should play a factor in fights too. Vegeta is stronger but he is also better at taking a beating. Ten implys they are close as done Trunks' keeping up with Vegeta when flying.

The 1st hit on Trunks is a blindside hit. The 2nd hit is a bit weird. I say statements > fights in this case, because the fight itself is kind of up for interpretation.

I'd not have Trunks less than 85% of Vegeta.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

There are quite a few things that show a nice difference.

1) Trunks turns Super Saiyan and blows up Gero's lab, doing no damage to the Androids. Vegeta said it was just a waste of energy.
2) Vegeta regards Trunks and the others as useless against #18 when they arrive.
3) Trunks is quickly knocked out, unlike Vegeta
4) Kami makes it a point to say Vegeta's abilities are superior to Trunks'. If there was barely any difference, why bother?

Vegeta would most likely own Trunks for free.

 

[ahill1]

There are quite a few things that show a nice difference.

1) Trunks turns Super Saiyan and blows up Gero's lab, doing no damage to the Androids. Vegeta said it was just a waste of energy.
2) Vegeta regards Trunks and the others as useless against #18 when they arrive.
3) Trunks is quickly knocked out, unlike Vegeta
4) Kami makes it a point to say Vegeta's abilities are superior to Trunks'. If there was barely any difference, why bother?

Vegeta would most likely own Trunks for free.

This only implies Vegeta is stronger than Trunks, doesn't imply a big difference. Trunks' blast at Gero's lab was just a quick release in order to hit 16's pod, I doubt it's any higher than the user's level.

I have Vegeta noticeable above Trunks. If Vegeta is a 100, so Trunks is a 88-90, enough for Kami to note a difference. But the difference is not that great. Trunks rivals Vegeta IMO.

 

[kriss-]

Actually, it implies a huge difference. One simple, very vague statement of them being 'lumped' together in the same sentence does not, and can not, override the fact that Trunks was quickly knocked out as easily as Piccolo was, whereas Vegeta, got back up for more.

 

[ahill1]

Actually, it implies a huge difference. One simple, very vague statement of them being 'lumped' together in the same sentence does not, and can not, override the fact that Trunks was quickly knocked out as easily as Piccolo was, whereas Vegeta, got back up for more.

Nope, there's not a huge difference between Vegeta and Trunks. Like I said, the fight is kinda of up to interpretation, and Vegeta's toughness should play a factor too.

Besides this, Trunks was shotted first by #17, who is stronger than #18 by a good ammount IMO. I think #17 would basically 3-shot Vegeta.

 

[kriss-]

Trunks was taken out in one simple toss, while Vegeta -after fighting with Android 18 for an extended period of time, suffering a broken arm, and getting hit with the exact same amount of force that knocked Trunks unconscious, got back up and went in for more.

It's not up for interpretation at all.

 

[Tapion]

Doesn't matter if it was 17 or 18 who one-shotted them, since they are stated to be rivals with 17 being only slightly stronger. If 17 can one shot someone then 18 automatically can too.

What really matter is comparing the 3 fighters that are the main factors: Vegeta, Piccolo and Trunks.

 

[kriss-]

Vegeta and Goku are in the lead, with Vegeta carrying a slight advantage, while Piccolo and Trunks are behind them, with Trunks carrying a slight advantage.

 

[ahill1]

Trunks was taken out in one simple toss, while Vegeta -after fighting with Android 18 for an extended period of time, suffering a broken arm, and getting hit with the exact same amount of force that knocked Trunks unconscious, got back up and went in for more.

It's not up for interpretation at all.

Like I said, Trunks was shotted first by #17. If #17 is 10% stronger than #18, and Vegeta is 10% stronger than future Trunks... we are talking about a ~20% difference in gaps. So what would be, let's say, a ~80% between Vegeta and #18, is a shitty one shot fodder ~60~66% between #17 and future Trunks. That's why Trunks' feats are a bit garbage compared to Vegeta IMO.

Not to mention #17's hit was a surprise hit from behind. We also see Goku getting knocked unconscious by Vegeta in a similar fashion during the Boo arc, and they were equal in strength.

and getting hit with the exact same amount of force that knocked Trunks unconscious, got back up and went in for more.

Trunks was hit in the gut by Vegeta's backside area. I know I would rather not be Trunks in that situation.

 

[Tapion]

Let's establish a fact: durability is not a good factor to determine who is really stronger. Nail was able to handle a beating from First Form Freeza, and even though Freeza was holding back, he was still using enough power to wreck Nail in every way imaginable. And don't come with some excuse like Namekians can't be one shotted, because 17 one-shotted Piccolo.

 

[kriss-]

We will agree to disagree on this part. I'm not going to get into a long, drawn out, back and forth argument with you.

 

[ahill1]

Ok. Vegeta is indeed stronger than Trunks, but I don't see the gap as being huge. Vegeta having a 10~12% lead is more than enough IMO. Vegeta would tool Trunks easier than he tooled handsome Zarbon.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Vegeta should be strong enough where he can beat Trunks without being even.

 

[ahill1]

Yea, I think Trunks would fight Vegeta fairly well (like he could fight one of the future Androids), but would be tooled without too much problems by his father.

 

[kriss-]

I think Vegeta would lay Trunks flat on his ass in one shot.