The Ultimate Power Level List

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Metamorian Gokhan? The same IMO. Perhaps Gogeta is stronger due to rivalry boost, but dunno. Don't know much from fusion.

 

[p123]

Goku thinks that Metamoran Gokan can beat Buutenks. Does that go for Metamoran Gogeta?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Dunno. Both Gogeta and Gokhan have Goku's power as a baseline, but Gogeta is implied to be fodder to Boohan. Do you think someone who can beat Gotenks-Boo can still be fodder to Gohan-Boo?

 

[Six Trails]

You could fit something like this:

Gotenks: 1
Boo: 1
Gohan: 1.5
Gotenks-Boo: 2
SS3 Gogeta/Gokan: 2.25
Gohan-Boo: 2.5

But that is too tight for me. I just prefer to believe that Gokan would be stronger. There's also this quote:

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P6.1-7
Context: after Goku laments that Gohan and Vegeta are dead
Goku: “So you know about it, Dende…! That’s right, some people from Metamor who I met in the afterlife taught me that art…It’s a merging technique which can only be performed if two people are fairly close in both power and body size…In other words, by having two people merge into one, they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power which either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [ ] …I was just taught the art, but I ain’t never tested it out…There wasn’t anybody on par with me in the afterlife…”

Based on the underlined, I would say Gokan should be way stronger than Ultimate Gohan, while I don't think Gogeta would dwarf Gohan in the same manner.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

How strong you think Gogeta and Gokhan are, Mike?

 

[Six Trails]

I'd consider SS3 Gogeta slightly stronger than Ultimate Gohan, which is around the same level I'd place SS Gokan at. With SS2 or SS3, I think Gokan would defeat Gotenks- and Gohan-Boo easily, and maybe even SS Vegetto.

 

[SSJ2]

You could fit something like this:

Gotenks: 1
Boo: 1
Gohan: 1.5
Gotenks-Boo: 2
SS3 Gogeta/Gokan: 2.25
Gohan-Boo: 2.5

But that is too tight for me. I just prefer to believe that Gokan would be stronger. There's also this quote:

I don't mind the look of this tbh. While I know it isn't even your belief, how would you explain Gotenks thinking that Gohan was only a bit above himself in power?

 

[Six Trails]

Arrogance on Trunks' part. He tried suggesting they were equal (which they clearly weren't) and then Goten contradicts him saying that Gohan is stronger. Trunks saying "only by a little" is just him trying to save face.

 

[SSJ2]

Do you think SSJ3 Gotenks was actually equal to Boo?

 

[Six Trails]

I think so. I used to think he was stronger based on the end of the sequence of the fight with Gotenks knocking Boo around, but I think it's pretty inconclusive since we know Boo was just stalling for time. I think it's easier to just consider them equal.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea, it probably is easier. I just don't like it, as I don't think Boo would let himself get tossed around like that, even if he was stalling.

 

[Six Trails]

You could also argue that Boo was just luring Gotenks into thinking he is stronger, so that he could get Goten and Trunks to fuse again later thinking they could beat Boo. If Boo showed that he could match and potentially beat Gotenks, they'd probably be skeptical to fuse later and rather just let Gohan handle him.

 

[SSJ2]

Would he need to lure them? He already saw how arrogant they were when they challenged him as Fat Boo in Base. Not to mention with Gohan at Gotenks' side, they should be feeling even more confident.

I dunno, I'm not trying to prove anything here. I just don't see Boo having that mindset personally. Given how angry he was at the mere fact that Gotenks was his equal early on in the fight, I don't think he'd let himself get slapped around for the sake of getting them to fuse again. Not only that, but the position Gotenks had him in by the end of his barrage made it look like Boo was about to be killed. Goku thought they were going to finish him before Gohan could even fight iirc, hopefully that wasn't an anime line I'm thinking of.

 

[p123]

Also, Buu is stated to be mentally weakened as well, that could effect performance.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

P do you think Goku eating a Senzu after firing the Kamehameha on 19 put him back on his initial Sick power?

 

[p123]

No, I think they say it doesn't work.

 

[Six Trails]

Goten seems way too low compared to Gohan. If you're trying to make it fit with his fight against 18...then you could just assume that 18 trained and got a little stronger for the Budokai. said that the Cyborgs are capable of increasing their power from training. Or you could just assume that the suit was just that much of a hindrance to Goten and Trunks. Either way, I don't think you could really justify Goten being 62.% of Gohan.

 

[p123]

Yea, I'm going to have to fix that. I have some issue with the Boys/Adults/Androids powers. I'm going to need to take some time to work that out...

It's that damn Cell Saga setting me up to be too strong. This is what happens when you take Imperfect Cell > Light Grenade seriously, it jacks up everything. Focus on the earlier sagas for now. I'll delete everything after Freeza for now.

 

[ahill1]

Can you justify your battle power for Chi Chi in the 23rd Budokai?

 

[p123]

Sure can, she makes Goku actually use a little bit of effort, it's not until Tien v Goku get going does she lose sight of them. She's stupidly powerful. Who's to say she's not? She got further than Yajirobe and Chaozu and her power is seen as somewhat respectable.