The Ultimate Power Level List

[p123]

No, of course not. I go by the Mid-Rosat theory. Vegeta and Trunks are clearly Grade 2 in the movie and Super Vegeta vs Broly directly mimics Super Vegeta vs Perfect Cell. So I think RSSJ Broly is somewhere around Perfect Cell's Warm Up power.

I think Super Vegeta defeats Cell in that timeline, the others come and get Goku/Gohan Mid-Rosat to tell them of the good news. Seeing as there is no longer a threat to the Earth, Goku decides to stop using the Rosat. All of their powers are more or less around the same level, Piccolo decides to give it a go after he sees everyone has blazed past him. They come and get Piccolo while he is mid training to tell him over the Legendary Super Saiyan and Piccolo has caught up to the group.

I think that's the most realistic representation of the events of the movie. I rather like the theory.

And yes, I'm a Super Saiyan Broly (M10) > Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (M8) kind of guy as well.

 

[Victorious]

I guess so. With movie 3 we got Piccolo at 18,000 so they're all out of whack. Because of this its hard to do movie power levels and compare them to canon characters. Where do u see Broly's RSSJ to LSSJ power up being? Bigger than SSJ to SSJ2?

 

[Victorious]

What makes you think Krillin and Yamcha at the 23rd are > cyborg Tao Pai Pai?

 

[Victorious]

I think you have Post Dende zenkai Vegeta's planet buster too close to Freeza. 90 or 92% is too close to punt it back like that. Compare Gohan's Masenko to 3rd form Freeza. Its about equal..perhaps Freeza is 5% stronger but it takes him forever to deflect that and he uses the ground and he's in pain to to deflect it. U think there is only a marginal difference between the Feeza's feats vs the two blasts? Nahh though true form Freeza had to get intense he kicks it back like a soccer ball. Its maybe at 80% of him tops IMO. That's a beast feat. Vegeta literally quits after that and loses all will to even fight.

 

[p123]

Yes, I like to add a little back story to the movies to try to make them fit within what I'm trying to do. They can't be perfect fits on their own, so I add my little stuff and I'm happy with it.

Yep, I think LSSJ seems to fit good as being the same as Super Saiyan 2. Seems to fit nicely. The only thing I'm interested in perhaps changing is finding out if that's Enraged Gohan he's fighting or regular Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. I think that could make things quite interesting, but I'm not sure...

Krillen/Yamcha should be above Cyborg Tao because they are capable of doing decently against an opponent who wrecked him. As far as I can see, Tien, Hero, Goku and Piccolo all are fighting their opponents in the quarter finals at around the same level. Piccolo seems to start off as the weakest and he powers up probably to his old power from what I can see or Goku's old level...

Basically, I feel Cyborg Tao would take the same ass whooping he did just as badly against Piccolo, Hero and Goku at what they fought Krillen, Yamcha and Chichi at.

 

[Victorious]

Warm up Cell should be less than 80% the Final Flash as well...maybe 70% tops IMO. He has no chance vs that blast at all.

 

[p123]

His lack of preparation probably has more to do with it than anything imo. Remember how badly SPC hurt Gohan with that death beam looking attack? I think this is the same situation here. Clearly if Gohan had been blocking hardcore, he would have never taken all that much damage from the death beam. But since he rushed in foolishly, unprepared to take the blast, it fucking wrecked him. He lost more than half of his power.

I think the situation is somewhat similar here. Cell is nonchalant thinking he can handle anything that comes his way, then all of a sudden, he realizes Vegeta's attack is too powerful and he doesn't have time to take it head on.

It does pierce his body though, so I will up it a bit.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why are 19 and 20 so close and so far from Mecha Trunks/Goku? With that gap both would be up to the rumors, but only 20 is. Something like this sounds better IMO:
Piccolo: 125
20: 112.5
19: 100
Yardrat Goku: 83-90

Why you have Goten and Trunks so far below Gohan? I thought you were a Gohan >= Kids supporter.

Da fuq is up with Base Gotenks being so fodder.

 

[SSJ2]

Not that I have agreed with P's more recent placements of Base Gotenks, its quite clear he is simply preserving the 50x multiplier. At the end of the day it really doesn't effect anything.

 

[p123]

Our interpretations about the rumors are different. You think it's someone who can beat up Trunks. I think the rumors are about Android's who Yardrat Goku with 3 years of training may not be capable of beating.

19/20 Post in comparison to Vegeta is tough. It's a percentage Gap issue that I have not wanting to make 19 Post less than 66% . It's a messy situation but you either have to pick the percentage Gap side or the story side. AT doesn't give us much room here for us to be totally accurate.

With taking the Cell Saga jumps more seriously I found my Base Saiyans a bit too strong for my liking. So to have the boys where I like them, they would be too strong for 18. Also I was having a really hard time finding a good fusion formula for the appropriate ranges. By this point of the story you are stuck with what the fusion possibility might be. So I have the option of making Base Gotenks somewhere from 37.5 billion to 40 billion, and Base Gotten somewhere from 2 billion to 2.5 billion. I've played with every combination and come up with what I thought was best.

Also with the boys, it becomes a matter of is Gogeta powerful or are the kids weak. I tried out leading with Gogeta being powerful and it feels pretty nice. The boys are suggested to be strong as fuck but later on not as much. It's still doable, but lower than I'd like. It's all about making concessions, you can't have it all.

Base Gotenks Pre or Post?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don't like 19 being far below Vegeta either. Though if you squeeze the Piccolo/20 gap you can find some room like i did above.

How you justify Goten's perfomance of Gohan though? Trunks vs 18 not being a stomp can be chalked up to the suit's restrictions.

Both Pre and Post. 50x or not at least try to make Gotenks stronger than the kids.

 

[p123]

Base Gotenks power is directly tied to the Ssj2 and Ssj3 boost. You have to pick one. If you choose to keep Super Saiyan a 50x boost you have two options.

1) Make Base Gotenks strong and make Gotenks stupidly powerful over Goku

Or

2) Make Base Gotenks weak and keep Goku somewhat relevant to Gotenks (10x) or so.

It's all about concessions.

I think the fans would appreciate a stronger Goku and Gogeta over getting Base Gotenks perfect. Each character has a sentimental value and no one gives a fuck about Base Gotenks.

 

[Victorious]

Android #17 (Less than Half) 450,000,000
~ Full Power 1,500,000,000

Don't like this one. That's Future #17 fighting at 30%. He would have said "not even a third".

I always put the "less than half/not even half" statements at 40%...Old Piccolo Daimao and Future #17.

That would be 600,000,000 by your numbers.

 

[p123]

Can't squeeze it with how I see the Trunks Saga and Androids Saga gaps. Just cant make it. I rather lose a little bit on that quote opposed to running all the other gaps.

 

[Victorious]

So you now also have FP Mecha Freeza only 66% of Future Trunks?

I liked your 75% argument...but considering this chain

Future Trunks age 17 > 1 armed SSJ Future Gohan >= Less than half Future #17 >> SSJ Future Gohan two arms > FP Mecha Freeza

it's hard not to. I don't like the idea of SSJ Future Gohan not being able to take Mecha Freeza.

 

[Victorious]

SSJ Goku Namek : 150
Mecha Freeza : 160
SSJ Future Gohan : 175
40% Future #17 : 200
SSJ Future Gohan 1 arm : 220
SSJ Future Trunks age 17 : 240

Do we know how bad Future Gohan was beaten by #17 in his first fight? I can't even remember the sequence or how detailed it is I got him at 87%

 

[p123]

It was bad enough to lose his arm but who knows

 

[p123]

Gohan 1 arm shows up expecting to win against two Android's. That gap gotta be bigger. 85% minimum.

 

[Victorious]

I thought Gohan 1 arm expected not to win? Why didnt he bring Trunks?

 

[p123]

He is on the fence, he thinks he can, but thinks he might die too. He wanted to save Trunks in case anything went wrong that they don't both get killed.