The Ultimate Power Level List

[Victorious]

Vegeta said things were looking just a 'little' better. At least in that translation. He didn't say thing were looking good or anything.

 

[Victorious]

I agree Gohan > Vegeta though now. Though not sure I'd put him any higher than 750k.

 

[p123]

That's reasonable. Just explain why Gohan looks like he's ready for Round 2 and I'll concede. Gohan is about to get all up in Freeza's ass, look at the look of determination.

 

[Victorious]

Well Gohan doesn't look calm and collected. That's true confidence. Like how Trunks was against Freeza. Or Goku was against the Ginyu force. Or for that matter how Piccolo was standing in front of Freeza before the fight.

 

[p123]

Agreed. But what I'm saying is...

Piccolo (Weighted) >= 2nd Form Freeza Powered Up > 2nd Form Freeza (Initial) ~ Gohan (Zenkai) > Gohan (Rage Boosted)

Gohan definitely isn't going to win from what I can guess, but he's going to be able to put up a fight at least. Hell, Gohan might even be stronger than 2nd Form Freeza's Initial Power. I'm not sure.

 

[p123]

Alright, massive update. I will most likely be sticking with these numbers for the long haul. I still have to do some Saiyan Saga and other earlier Sagas, but this is great. And all the really important areas are covered. Some things come down to personal preference, but these numbers are really clean and flow together very smoothly.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

P are you gonna add Early DB?

 

[p123]

Yes sir. I'll add the movies I like for the big guys, but GT or Super. It would be nice to finally figure this project, but we will see. I hope I can get some good debate on some of the upcoming sections, but people never really like to talk Dragonball. Give the list a thorough look through, let me know what you think.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

K, i'll answer you on my list's topic and then i'll take a look. I see you added Saiyan Arc.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So here are my thoughts on the list overall:

What the fuck with Vegeta being 16k. Is it because of Dodoria and Zarbon? It fits fine bro. Vegeta clearly worked his ass off to beat those guys, not to mention they sucked at fighting.

Initial post Recoome Vegeta is >40k. The "Might" from Goku was a Vizism:
Goku: “Vegeta, you defeat the other guy [Jheese]. You made a full recovery after almost dying, so your power should have greatly increased. He’s no longer an opponent you can’t beat…”

Cooler? Are you gonna add the semi-"canon" movies that fit on the timeline?

What's your reasoning to have Kid Trunks so high? Only time we saw him Base Gohan manhandled him.

Vegeta said 19 wasn't as bad as the rumors, so he is unable to stomp Trunks. 19 post is at best marginally stronger than Trunks. I like the numbers you gave 20 though.

SSJ3 is a 2x multiplier?

Piccolo > Base Gotenks? C'mon man, you were the guy who convinced me of Base Gotenks > SSJ2s and now you're nerfing the kid? And even Post Rosat he is still below Piccolo!?

Other than that it's a good list overall though. There is some stuff i disagree on the Cell Games and Boo Arc, but for now it's better left untouched until it's the right time.

 

[p123]

I tried to keep it as scouter friendly as possible. I noticed when you go too far off the scouters, you lose people, you lose yourself and the numbers that are tied to the story.

There were a couple I felt the need to change though. I've always been majorly irked with the Cui/Dodoria/Zarbon/Vegeta spacing. It might seem like a little issue, but it plagues me big time. I like to have a correlating list. If Vegeta vs Cui is a 75% gap, it just doesn't jive with the fluidity of my numbers. So I did have to change that. It will effect the earlier sagas, but besides that, after that, everything is the same from there on if I stuck hardcore to scouter numbers. Also, some storyline issues I felt needed to be tweaked. I just never felt the story implied that Cui/Vegeta could rival Dodoria. I felt like Dodoria is the big dog, Cui and Vegeta were his bitches, Dodoria was the bully and although Zarbon was stronger, it wasn't greatly so. He could still compete with Zarbon. That's the impression I always got.

Super Saiyan Vegeta vs Android #19 is a major plague to me as well in terms of not correlating. There's too many damn powers between them and I'd like to have it as a 66% gap or less, but alas, numerically, my hands are tied. All in all, a small price to pay to keep the train moving smoothly. The numbers don't feel choppy at all, they are clean, easy to read and accurate.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The point of doing Battle Powers is to work around the numbers gave by Toriyama. If you can't do that then you failed the basic on Battle Powers.

Except it fits like a glove. Not to mention this actually this is one of the only fights we have 100% accurate numbers for both sides, Vegeta vs Kui should be one of the baselines on the power levels gaps.

Your hands were tied on the Vegeta/19 gap issue because of 19 lasting several blows, right? Then why your hands aren't tied about 50% Freeza/Goku gaps? Goku survived a headbutt head on from Freeza. Power levels are a numerical way of showing the power scaling man, it's natural few gaps here and there are going to be off because Toriyama wasn't all numerical anymore. Not to mention it's reasonable in universe why 19 would not be instantly one shoted.

 

[p123]

It's a free country. I'm able to do whatever I want creatively, you should know that. This is my interpretation, my work. You can choose to hold to any guideline you want, but you do not choose for me, crazy. Lol. You don't have to like it or agree with it. You can appreciate it or ignore it, whatever you choose.

I could go on why I prefer my method, but you probably wouldn't be interested in it anyhow.

In terms of correlation and overall satisfaction with what I was able to do. I highlighted the few instances I would like to change, but am unable due to my current thinking of the situations. I'm a perfectionist and while I think it's top notch and great, it can never be perfect of course. My vision to display the story as I see it is more important at times then the story itself, hence the creative project ideal. But I kept it to a minimum, just a few tweaks here and there to suit what I wanted to see. My intention was always to make a list that someone like myself could really enjoy and dig into the numbers. I've achieved that, so it's all good. Whether anyone else gives me any recognition for it being good or bad is out of my hands. But me personally, I think it's great work.

 

[SSJ2]

Yes sir. I'll add the movies I like for the big guys, but GT or Super. It would be nice to finally figure this project, but we will see. I hope I can get some good debate on some of the upcoming sections, but people never really like to talk Dragonball. Give the list a thorough look through, let me know what you think.

I don't think you'll have trouble finding DB discussion here.. I know lots of us enjoy discussing it considering how less often it comes up.

 

[Victorious]

P u have Saiyan saga Piccolo too weak. I think Piccolo is more in the 85% range of Nappa's pre powered up power. If he was only 60% Nappa's kick would have killed him. They actually fought for a brief second before Nappa did his big electric shock power up. Not to mention Piccolo should be way above Tenshinhan.

 

[ahill1]

P u have Saiyan saga Piccolo too weak. I think Piccolo is more in the 85% range of Nappa's pre powered up power. If he was only 60% Nappa's kick would have killed him. They actually fought for a brief second before Nappa did his big electric shock power up. Not to mention Piccolo should be way above Tenshinhan.

That was filler though, they never fought prior to Nappa's power up. Heck, the only 'fight' they have performed was Piccolo punching Nappa when he was on his way to attack Tenshinhan, Nappa elbow'ing Piccolo in the head, Piccolo blasting Nappa's back and Piccolo being killed by Nappa's blast. Those were the only instances their powers clashed directly.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It's a free country. I'm able to do whatever I want creatively, you should know that. This is my interpretation, my work. You can choose to hold to any guideline you want, but you do not choose for me, crazy. Lol. You don't have to like it or agree with it. You can appreciate it or ignore it, whatever you choose.

I could go on why I prefer my method, but you probably wouldn't be interested in it anyhow.

In terms of correlation and overall satisfaction with what I was able to do. I highlighted the few instances I would like to change, but am unable due to my current thinking of the situations. I'm a perfectionist and while I think it's top notch and great, it can never be perfect of course. My vision to display the story as I see it is more important at times then the story itself, hence the creative project ideal. But I kept it to a minimum, just a few tweaks here and there to suit what I wanted to see. My intention was always to make a list that someone like myself could really enjoy and dig into the numbers. I've achieved that, so it's all good. Whether anyone else gives me any recognition for it being good or bad is out of my hands. But me personally, I think it's great work.

If you wanna do this go ahead. You're not getting any closer to a flawless list like you would wish though.

 

[p123]

@GreatSaiyaman

Thanks for your permission bud.

@Vic

Filler.

@ ahill

What do you got the gap at? Piccolo vs Nappa?

 

[ahill1]

@GreatSaiyaman

Thanks for your permission bud.

@Vic

Filler.

@ ahill

What do you got the gap at? Piccolo vs Nappa?

The gap between FP Nappa and Piccolo? Since I agree with your placement for Piccolo, around 4x or so sounds good to me. 3.5x more specifically.

 

[p123]

FP Nappa and Piccolo is an irrelevant gap. Nappa vs Z Team vs Piccolo you klutz/