Two base theory

[Fantastische Hure]

So you do believe Base Goku from the Cell Games is higher than Cell-Games Piccolo?

Yes. I think Post Rosat Piccolo isn't shit nowadays.

Welcome to the dark-side. I believed that for ages.

 

[GSM123]

Welcome to the dark-side. I believed that for ages.

Good to see someone agrees with me

 

[ahill1]

Well, you can have [Cell Games] Piccolo that strong [i.e fairly close to CG Vegeta and Trunks] and still have the base Saiyajins above him. Just believe the base Saiyajins were also rather strong haha. I did a list taking the implications regarding post Rosat Piccolo's strength at face value as well as taking the aforementioned base >> Piccolo implications at face value and I remember I did end up with the base Saiyajins outclassing 50% SSJ Goku by the Boo saga haha.

May be worth noting that I didn't have the base Saiyajins as so OMFG strong in the Cell Games... they were still considerably below Piccolo, but then their base mystriously gained a lot of power during those seven years enough that they could compete with green man in that state alone.

 

[GSM123]

Tbf i think it's easier to assume his Rosat trip was retconed than assume the SSJ multiplier is ridiculously small like i used to do.

But mine and probably 's line of thinking is based on both Piccolo being beneath Base Saiyans and him not powering up many levels after his Rosat trip.

 

[GSM123]

Captain Cadaver if you're seeing this, what's your opinion about the two base theory?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Two base theory is backed up by absolutely nothing. Every time Goku faces a problem his base form can't handle, such as say, Jiren, do you see him going past his SSJ forms to a version of his base form with a different aura? No. He just goes into his SSJ forms.

Two base theory only exists for those that tout it as impossible for so many secondary characters to compete with post-God Goku/Vegeta such as Piccolo or the U6 fighters (minus Hit), despite the fact that everyone and their mother surpassing the previous peak of power has been a common trend in DB since at least the 22nd TB Arc. Hell, the only reason the notion of it exists is because of the "Saiyan Beyond God" version of Goku meant to represent his base self in FnF, and that only exists for two reasons.

1. Toei weren't fully aware Super would be a thing, thereby thinking Goku had indeed fully absorbed the SSG power into his base and SSJ forms to some extent (the 6/10/15 comparison would make this quite apparent).
2. The creators of DBH probably just wanted a more unique name for the card than just Fukkatsu no F Son Goku.

 

[Six Trails]

Quite a few examples, but wanting to downplay U6 Saiyans like Cabba or other U6 characters like Frost is an example, by saying that they didn't use their god-powers against them.

The worst is the scum who wanna downplay Green Man.

 

[GSM123]

:fearless

 

[Future Warrior]

I've heard some pretty compelling arguments for the retcon theory.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Yeah I think Base Goku God shit been retcon because Toei does a shitty job of portaying it.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

No such thing exist. Otherwise, SSjinG shouldn't be exist.