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:shin stated Jiren was the strongest Ki he'd ever sensed iirc, so Vegetto gets no further than Initial Jiren/UI Goku, perhaps not even getting past Hakaishin Toppo.

SS4 Gogeta (Super) VS SSB Vegetto (FT Arc)
- If Vegetto loses, make it his ToP self.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
:shin stated Jiren was the strongest Ki he'd ever sensed iirc, so Vegetto gets no further than Initial Jiren/UI Goku, perhaps not even getting past Hakaishin Toppo.

SS4 Gogeta (Super) VS SSB Vegetto (FT Arc)
- If Vegetto loses, make it his ToP self.

Gogeta likely wins in both rounds. The boost of the SSJ4 allows Goku to match Baby's Golden form, even though his own Golden form was a match for SBV2, who made a fool out of the SSJ3 even in base form. I don't think even the gap between the SSJB and the SSJ3 is that massive, especially after the fusion's feats in FT arc and ToP arc directly contradicted BoG's statements.

EoGT Goku VS DBVerse
-This is Goku coming from an alternative universe in which GT has happened after Super (somehow). Assume the wish made by Pilaf kept him from using his Godly Ki.
-According to an interview, Goku has an aura that won't let any attack near him. Assume this is a mastered Hakai armor.
-Goku has access to his Mastered Ultra Instinct, which can use in addition to Hakai.
-Last, but not least: Goku has spent 100 years training in a different dimension, akin to the RoSaT...and Whis somehow managed to join him there.
-Goku won't fight back.
-Landing one successful attack on this Goku is enough to win this fight.
-Zeno is banned.
 

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Vegetto VS Janemboo (Super Janemba + Boohan)
-Equal BP
-No time limit for both
 

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Keedounan said:
EoGT Goku VS DBVerse
-Landing one successful attack on this Goku is enough to win this fight.
-According to an interview, Goku has an aura that won't let any attack near him. Assume this is a mastered Hakai armor.
That practically answers itself. Only attack I could see possibly hitting him is Hit's Time Leap/Cage of Time if assuming the flow of Goku's aura would freeze during the time stop. That is, assuming that Goku wouldn't be fast enough to break through Time Leap which is unlikely when by Super logic shows characters can reach God Ki tier without having God Ki through enough training (eg. U6 Arc Piccolo, ToP #17, ToP Gohan, etc.), so Goku still most likely clears.

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Vegetto VS Janemboo (Super Janemba + Boohan)
-Equal BP
-No time limit for both
Janemboo's array of techniques and infinite stamina would allow him to outlast Vegetto. He wins with high or extreme-diff.

EoGT Goku VS Kaioh (Hokuto no Ken)
- Equal battle powers
- Assume Goku's protective aura works in a same manner as Musou Tensei (ie. Kaioh can negate it with Anryu Tenha).
- Goku is armed with the Nyoibo.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Keedounan said:
EoGT Goku VS DBVerse
-Landing one successful attack on this Goku is enough to win this fight.
-According to an interview, Goku has an aura that won't let any attack near him. Assume this is a mastered Hakai armor.
That practically answers itself. Only attack I could see possibly hitting him is Hit's Time Leap/Cage of Time if assuming the flow of Goku's aura would freeze during the time stop. That is, assuming that Goku wouldn't be fast enough to break through Time Leap which is unlikely when by Super logic shows characters can reach God Ki tier without having God Ki through enough training (eg. U6 Arc Piccolo, ToP #17, ToP Gohan, etc.), so Goku still most likely clears.

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Vegetto VS Janemboo (Super Janemba + Boohan)
-Equal BP
-No time limit for both
Janemboo's array of techniques and infinite stamina would allow him to outlast Vegetto. He wins with high or extreme-diff.

EoGT Goku VS Kaioh (Hokuto no Ken)
- Equal battle powers
- Assume Goku's protective aura works in a same manner as Musou Tensei (ie. Kaioh can negate it with Anryu Tenha).
- Goku is armed with the Nyoibo.

I'd say that Goku wins in most scenarios thanks to his aura if Kaioh doesn't use his Anryu Tenha right away.

Kid Goku VS Killua
-Equal battle powers
-Killua can't use Godspeed.
 

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Killua due to his vastly superior intelligence allowing him to easily trap a more simplistic fighter like Goku in much the same way he did that member of the Bomber Trio.

Pure Boo VS Current SS2 Goku
- Boo does the same training his good self did to get those lean GAINZ.
- If Goku stomps, Boo can utilise all his abilities to try and win (Candy Beam, Absorption, etc.)
 

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Goku stomps in the first round. He might lose the second round out of carelessness, though.

EOGT Goku VS Jiren
- Assume Goku has been training in a dimension similar to the RoSaT for 100 years on Earth (which means he actually trained for over 13 millions of years) with Whis.
- Goku doesn't use his protective aura.
- Goku is restricted to his base form.
- If Goku stomps, he's only allowed to use 1% of his power.
- If he still stomps, he's only allowed to use one finger.
 

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Keedounan said:
EOGT Goku VS Jiren
- Assume Goku has been training in a dimension similar to the RoSaT for 100 years on Earth (which means he actually trained for over 13 millions of years) with Whis.
- Goku doesn't use his protective aura.
- Goku is restricted to his base form.
- If Goku stomps, he's only allowed to use 1% of his power.
- If he still stomps, he's only allowed to use one finger.
Assuming Super logic applies for training gains (eg. U6 Arc Piccolo, ToP Gohan/#17) then Goku stomps in both scenarios.

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SSJR Black VS #17
Manga-wise, Black oneshots. Anime-wise, #17 stomps seeing as how Goku's resolve boost in pushing back Merged Zamasu's blast should place those of current SSB tier far above Black.

Piccolo's Makankosappo VS Nappa
- During the battle against Nappa, Tenshithands gets the Saiyan in a full nelson as Galu did, giving Piccolo the opportunity to launch the attack. Assume Nappa isn't able to grab Ten from this angle and is too stupid to notice Piccolo charging up his attack. Can it kill him?
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Keedounan said:
EOGT Goku VS Jiren
- Assume Goku has been training in a dimension similar to the RoSaT for 100 years on Earth (which means he actually trained for over 13 millions of years) with Whis.
- Goku doesn't use his protective aura.
- Goku is restricted to his base form.
- If Goku stomps, he's only allowed to use 1% of his power.
- If he still stomps, he's only allowed to use one finger.
Assuming Super logic applies for training gains (eg. U6 Arc Piccolo, ToP Gohan/#17) then Goku stomps in both scenarios.

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SSJR Black VS #17
Manga-wise, Black oneshots. Anime-wise, #17 stomps seeing as how Goku's resolve boost in pushing back Merged Zamasu's blast should place those of current SSB tier far above Black.

Piccolo's Makankosappo VS Nappa
- During the battle against Nappa, Tenshithands gets the Saiyan in a full nelson as Galu did, giving Piccolo the opportuqnity to launch the attack. Assume Nappa isn't able to grab Ten from this angle and is too stupid to notice Piccolo charging up his attack. Can it kill him?

Since Nappa should be at around 4,000 when he wasn't at full power against Piccolo and the others, assuming the multiplier is the same as against Raditz, the Makankosappo would most likely kill him.

KKx5 Goku's Kamehameha VS Great Ape Vegeta
-Saiyan arc period for both
-Assume Goku's Kamehameha is the same multiplier as against Raditz
 

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I don't believe Goku would be able to stack his Kamehameha amp on top of Kaioken due to the strain and even if he does, the former is purely plot related, so Vegeta wins with mid or high-diff.

Pan (End of Evil Dragon Arc) VS Base Vegeta-Baby
- If Pan wins, have her fight Super Vegeta-Baby.
- For those unfamiliar with Pan's strength at the time, she was about on par with Base Goku during the early stages of the arc, and SSJ Goku > SS2 Vegeta > Super Oob during the S17 Arc.
 

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I don't believe Goku would be able to stack his Kamehameha amp on top of Kaioken due to the strain and even if he does, the former is purely plot related, so Vegeta wins with mid or high-diff.

Pan (End of Evil Dragon Arc) VS Base Vegeta-Baby
- If Pan wins, have her fight Super Vegeta-Baby.
- For those unfamiliar with Pan's strength at the time, she was about on par with Base Goku during the early stages of the arc, and SSJ Goku > SS2 Vegeta > Super Oob during the S17 Arc.

Super Baby Vegeta 2 had trouble against Super Oob (Baby arc), while Super 17 completely ignored a stronger Super Oob's hits (since Goku told Oob they'd train after Baby arc).

Add to that the fact that the SSJ multipliers were nerfed in GT (Rildo using "not even half of Goku's power" as a benchmark compared to his base power), and Pan would defeat Baby without much difficulty.

SSJ4 Gogeta VS SSJG Vegetto
-Both fusees (Goku and Vegeta) are from FT arc.
-If Gogeta wins, Vegetto turns SSJB.
 

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I'd consider Gogeta's natural limits to still be something capable of pushing him above both SSG and SSB Vegetto by far. If we use Goku's Kaioken at the ToP as a benchmark, the difference between SSB and the user's limits at the time of the FT Arc/Start of the ToP should be more than 20x, whereas I probably wouldn't place the difference between Vegetto and Gogeta as more than 5-10x in the same forms.

SSJ Tullece VS Kaioken x20 Goku (VS Freeza)
- This is Tullece after eating the Shinseijuu fruit for the 2nd time in the movie.
- Kaioken strain still applies.
 

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Turles stomps.

* Turles' initial power should be in-between 18,000 (stronger than M3 Piccolo) and 30,000 (weaker than M3 Goku). Let's say 24,000 for simplicity's sake.
* His boost after eating the fruit for the time should be superior to x10. I'd say 15x at least (360,000).
* Assuming the boost after eating the fruit is exactly the same, and that the SSJ multiplier from Namek applies (50x), that would make a battle power of 270 million for Turles.

To be honest, I don't think even SSJ Goku could defeat him...

SSJ Turles VS SSJ Goku (Yardrat)
-This is Turles after eating the Shinseijuu fruit for the 2nd time in the movie.
 

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Tullece would stomp if we assumed the multiplier remained the same. I doubt that's the case, however, as he makes note in the film about having ate the Shinseijuu fruit countless times and guidebooks make note of him already being a "top rate warrior" (so anywhere from Raditz's level to Super Elite tier going by how vague that is) prior to Goku's birth and Tullece acquiring the Shinseijuu in the first place.
That said, I'd probably say that the gains Tullece makes from one batch of fruit is likely not too high after the first one of the batch, or that the increase is random (and definitely seemed smaller for the second due to the lack of visible boosts to his body's muscles like the first instance). I probably wouldn't place post-2nd fruit Tullece much higher than 1mil, so Goku stomps.

Ghost Warrior Slug VS SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta (post-1st Rosat)
- Assume Slug won't give him the chance to use Final Flash.
 

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Vegeta wouldn't have knowledge of the Destron Gas generator, so he'd tire out eventually, whilst Slug's ghost regeneration stays intact.

SSJ Vegeta (Androids Saga) vs Future 17

- Vegeta has MSSJ stamina
 

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Vegeta wouldn't have knowledge of the Destron Gas generator, so he'd tire out eventually, whilst Slug's ghost regeneration stays intact.

SSJ Vegeta (Androids Saga) vs Future 17

- Vegeta has MSSJ stamina

I don't think Vegeta can win, since Trunks wasn't confident they could take on 18 and 17 without Goku's help.

Piccolo VS Current 17
-Piccolo fuses with his entire race + Saonel and Pirina.
 

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Gotta give it to Piccolo. Full power Saonel + Pirina were a threat to Ultimate Gohan (who is in the same tier as 17), and Namekian fusion yields quite large gains.

Kaioken x2 Mecha Frieza vs Android 19 (initial)

- No energy stealing for 19
- No strain for Frieza
 

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Freeza rips even #19 post's head off. Regular Freeza would be a better match IMO.

SSJ Trunks and Piccolo (Android Arc) vs Future 18
 

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