Yoshi's Battle Powers

[ahill1]

Piccolo doesn't need to be > Gohan and Kuririn. He might be, but it's not a given. I think the two being above Piccolo works just fine.

 

[Six Trails]

Piccolo was also going to save Gohan at the Cell Games, as well as save Kaioshin and Gohan against Boo, so I don't think that him saying he'll save Krillin and Gohan against Freeza really means anything.

 

[Papasmurf]

Piccolo was far less relevant those other two times (Goku and Krillin even told him he was useless) while Nail called his power astounding here. Granted, he would've still lost without fusing, but he's still implied to be a significant power especially when Gohan and Krillin were distressed he wasn't warped to where Vegeta was to save them.

 

[ahill1]

Freeza:
2nd Suppression Form Powered Up: 1,200,000
Piccolo:
Post Nail Fusion Initial: 1,200,000

While they should be close, Piccolo should actually be stronger, as noted by Vegeta.

Chapter: 301 (DBZ 107), P2.2-3
Context: after Piccolo and Freeza fight awhile
Kuririn: “In-incredible…[Piccolo]’s fighting evenly with Freeza…”
Vegeta: “No…no…He’s more than [even]…”

 

[SIAD]

Chaozu (Post Kaiosama) be > Guldo.

How?

Chaoz (After training at the Planet Kaiosama), defeated without problems Guldo, therefore you should have Chaoz about 10,000.

 

[ahill1]

^That was filler.

 

[Yoshi]

Dammit, I hate going back and changing numbers. At least the list is less bloated than before.

 

[SIAD]

^That was filler.

I see no problem with it, because Piccolo in just 6 days, returned over 100 times more powerful.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta:
Base: 10,000,000
Piccolo:
Initial: 11,250,000

While I think Piccolo closed the gap a lot, which like I said it's suggested by him challenging Vegeta, there's nothing suggesting he surpassed the Saiyan. Vegeta should still be stronger, as minimal as the gap is. At most they are equals, but Piccolo > Vegeta? Nah.

Future Trunks:
Base: 13,500,000
Super Saiyajin: 675,000,000
Android #19:
Initial: 937,500,000
Post Absorbtions: 1,500,000,000

#19 is way too strong compared to Mecha saga Trunks. According to Vegeta, even #19 post absorptions isn't as bad as the rumors made him out to be:

Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”


Vegeta's line doesn't make any sense if Mecha saga Trunks is at 45% of #19 post absorptions imo, since the latter would be able to easily decimate Trunks.

 

[SIAD]

Trunks USSJ2 should not have 495,000,000,000?

 

[Yoshi]

Man I'm rusty. I haven't debated in the longest time, but still.

 

[ahill1]

What do you think of going with: Freeza (without hands) > Goku base (serious) > Freeza (warm up) >= Goku base (warm up)?

That'd make your numbers more bloated, but that's what I feel it was implied.

 

[Yoshi]

I don't think the chain is necessary.

 

[Yoshi]

I decided to minimize the list again. It was too bloated before.

 

[SIAD]

Even this is implied:

SSJ Goku (Namek)> 100% Frieza (Namek)> Freezer 100% (heating)> SSJ Goku (heating) >> Freezer 70% (Namek) >> Freezer (50%)> Goku Kaioken x20 (Namek) >>> Freezer (25%)> Goku Kaioken x10 (Namek) >>>>>>>>> Freezer (Cancelled / With Arms) >> Goku Base (FP)> Freezer (Cancelled / Without Arms)> Goku Base (Vs Frieza No Arms)> Freezer (Warming Goku)> Goku Base (heating Frieza)> = Goku Base (Initial)> Freezer (Vs Vegeta) >>>> Vegeta (Fourth Zenkai)> Freezer Fourth Form (Initial).

Although the difference between each ">" is pretty tiny, so therefore Goku Base (FP) is not much stronger than Goku Base (Initial).

 

[Yoshi]

I added transformation multipliers and ki amplification.

 

[Yoshi]

I updated my Battle Powers.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why do you think 19 and 20 were so strong pre absorptions?

 

[Yoshi]

Why do you think 19 and 20 were so strong pre absorptions?

Because the Z Fighters don't have any doubt that it's the Future Androids when they fight. Also, Trunks says that the Present Androids are stronger than the Future Androids, so the Future Androids should be between #19, #20, and the Z Fighters in strength.

 

[Yoshi]

Considering doing the Boo Saga. Any advice?

Part of me wants to keep Piccolo the same power he was in the Cell Games during the 25th Budokai and Babidi's Ship, because I believe the Boo Saga is just full of messy writing in general.