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  1. Goku9001

    Would you guys say Yamcha, Chaozu and Kuririn have all definitely surpassed Tao Pai Pai by the 22nd Budokai?

    You didn't. You present Goku vs. Panput as some evidence because Kuririn wasn't impressed while ignoring why Goku and Kuririn was impressed why Goku managed to defeat him quickly in the first place. Then, you operate on multiple assumptions to undermine Tenshinhan's and Tsuru-sennin's...
  2. Goku9001

    Would you guys say Yamcha, Chaozu and Kuririn have all definitely surpassed Tao Pai Pai by the 22nd Budokai?

    Both Goku and Kuririn expected Panput to be stronger than Chappa hence the surprise of how easily Goku defeated Panput and why Goku put forth more effort in the first place. That alone disproves the notion that Chappa was as terrifying as he was. Because if he was as terrifying as he was made...
  3. Goku9001

    How strong is Pui Pui?

    It's really not that deep. They never encountered humans that could withstand 10x gravity so regardless of their power, they assumed that it would be enough to affect the Saiyans. Dragon Ball Super is pretty consistent with the idea that different gravitational levels have an effect on different...
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    Would you guys say Yamcha, Chaozu and Kuririn have all definitely surpassed Tao Pai Pai by the 22nd Budokai?

    I don't subscribe to that. Goku was at full power in both instances. Goku vs. Gohan can be considered life and death because had he lost, he wouldn't have been able to revive his friend. I would say Gohan was stronger. Goku had to brace himself to withstand Gohan's kick. Against Tao Pai Pai, he...
  5. Goku9001

    Would you guys say Yamcha, Chaozu and Kuririn have all definitely surpassed Tao Pai Pai by the 22nd Budokai?

    I don't think so. Tenshinhan and Tsuru-sennin couldn't believe that Goku had killed Tao Pai Pai until his performance against Kuririn. Both Tenshinhan and Tsuru-sennin are both directly acquainted with Tao Pai Pai's abilities which means that it cannot be just baseless hype. The level that Goku...
  6. Goku9001

    Why was Power-Weighted Cell so weak?

    He got way stronger. Gohan just ended up being way, way stronger.
  7. Goku9001

    Gohan vs Cell gaps assuming SSJ2 is a 2x multiplier

    The 2x SSJ multiplier doesn't really work even in the manga. SSJ2 Gohan's tanking feat against Perfect Cell was equivalent to SSJ Goku's against 50% Frieza. SSJ Goku held a >2x advantage against 50% Frieza and still budged slightly against Frieza's death beam. In the same light, SSJ2 Gohan also...
  8. Goku9001

    Kuririn vs Cymbal

    Yajirobe vs. Cymbal clearly does suggest that Yajirobe couldn't fool around with Cymbal which is the main point of the argument. Yajirobe couldn't afford to warm up with Cymbal whereas Match Level Goku could literally afford to play around with Kuririn. After all, Goku deliberately allowed...
  9. Goku9001

    Kuririn vs Cymbal

    Yajirobe stopped warming up precisely because Cymbal was a potential threat hence why he claimed that Cymbal was strong after the fact. Kuririn was legitimately no threat to Match Level Goku in the slightest.
  10. Goku9001

    Kuririn vs Cymbal

    Yajjirobe was literally scared shitless. Yajirobe's not that far off from Goku so I'd say Goku was above match level against him. He was far more serious against Yajirobe than he was against Kuririn or Tenshinhan initially. Aside from that, there's still the point that Yajirobe had to go at...
  11. Goku9001

    Kuririn vs Cymbal

    Yajirobe didn't toy with Cymbal. Cymbal nearly killed him which forced Yajirobe to go at full throttle with a blade. Goku on the other hand, did toy with Kuririn because he didn't use anywhere near full power and easily overpowered Kuririn which impelled Kuririn to grab Goku's tail.
  12. Goku9001

    Kuririn vs Cymbal

    I think "many times" is just a figurative way of saying "much stronger". Cymbal was able to keep Yajirobe on his feet until he went at full throttle with his blade and Tambourine likely isn't that far behind Yajirobe.
  13. Goku9001

    Kuririn vs Cymbal

    Bruh. Yajirobe needed to go at full power to deal with Cymbal swiftly whereas Kuririn got tooled easily by Match Level Goku. Cymbal is obviousy stronger.
  14. Goku9001

    About DragonBall Super's canonicity

    Broly was never stated to deviate from the manga. It was created to serve both the anime and manga. That is the difference.
  15. Goku9001

    About DragonBall Super's canonicity

    The writers see it differently. People directly involved expressed the movie as a separate story distinct from the manga. They made no such comment in regards to Broly and RoF . Goku labeling both Jiren and Broly as we last knew of them as people they have to overcome is in fact, a direct...
  16. Goku9001

    GreatSaiyaman123’s 2023 Power Level List

    That is wrong. Monster Zarbon exchanged multiple blows with Vegeta and many of these explicitly struck him in the face. And yet, Monster Zarbon needed to seismic toss him into the ground from a significant distance to finish him off. That attack still didn't kill Vegeta. Trunks only used a...
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    About DragonBall Super's canonicity

    Because there are fundamental differences between the movie and manga which have been explicitly confirmed by people directly involved with Super Hero. End of Z has a tournament setting that will naturally involve the strongest fighters. Among those are Granolah, Uub, Frieza, Gohan, Piccolo...
  18. Goku9001

    SSjin 3 Gohan (Boo Saga) vs Pure Evil Boo

    Goku: 100 Fat Buu: 80 Gohan: 63 Evil Buu: 48 Fat Buu: 32 Gohan would have >1.3x edge on Evil Buu which is substantial. Based on Gohan's actions, he was more than willing to eliminate Buu instantly such as when he unleashed a Full Power KHH on Buu's egg. His fighting skill may be sloppy...
  19. Goku9001

    GreatSaiyaman123’s 2023 Power Level List

    I think the gap between Mecha Frieza and SSJ Trunks is far too small. Trunks should be capable of defeating Frieza with or without the blade in a single blow. A 1.2x gap isn't enough to accomplish this. On top of that, it was made clear that the force Trunks used on Frieza wasn't even his full...
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