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The Final Flash is nowhere near a 20x increase which Evolved form is. I don't know whether it could possibly be stronger than the Genkidama, Jiren tanked the FF while the Genkidama makes Roshi believe if landed on Jiren he would be defeated. According to the narrator in 122, it was a full...

This is not meant to be a debate, but the opinion of the drawing.

Characters even while knowing of TS can get frozen, however, characters with superior speed or power like Dyspo, Goku or Jiren simply bypass his haxed TS and shows it uneffective, in the case of Jiren, we managed to see that even a prison of accumulated time perish against his brute strength...

Pros: TOEI already knows that Kamehameha from Imperfect Cell era > Saiyan Saga era Kamehameha: Cons: The Kamehameha used against Broly was far before the Kamehameha Goku used against Cell So, even if TOEI knows they probably didn't know how much amplified the Kamehameha used against Cell...

Trunks vs Bojack: Android 17 vs SSJ Future Trunks Which gap should be bigger?

Hatchiyack proved to be able to tank SSJ Vegeta's Final Flash: Super Perfect Cell showed caution when it comes to receive blasts from SSJ Vegeta: Possible counter: Cell showing caution to those attacks doesn't make sense as his gap over Vegeta is far larger than the one he held over Piccolo...

He was nowhere near as strong as many people believe it to be. Is weaker than Initial SSJBE Vegeta given how it was treated by Great Priest. That comment coming from Belmod comes in relation to how he initially viewed him as nothing, like when Hit got eliminated and he said "there's nobody who...

Gogeta is weaker than Broly in SSJB in this list. Aside from that, the only thing in which I disagree is Base Goku vs Freeza as Goku said that he realized he can't defeat Freeza if continuing fighting, so I think Base Freeza should be Base Goku level, as well as Goku & Vegeta being stronger in...

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Case #2: Position of at least Vegeta being stronger Jiren appreciated him twice, something which he didn't do with Kaioken Goku: Possible counter: Jiren also appreciated SSJB Vegeta's Final Flash despite of being nowhere near SSJBKKx20 Goku. My position: I don't think it exists an actual...

Case #1: Had Toppo or Vegeta surpassed Goku it'd had been mentioned If God Toppo or SSJBE Vegeta were stronger it'd be fair to assume that someone or even Goku himself could have said so, as shown in previous arc, every time Vegeta surpasses Goku it is said by at least one character: As...

Full metal Alchemist.

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Vegeta vs Semi Cell is like a 1.65 gap while Vegeta vs Freeza like a 1.9. In the anime, the gap between Vegeta and Semi Cell is far greater than in the manga, though.

Well Saiyan + Freeza's race ADN make him already too tough for a body, those being massively amplified ki blasts. I believe that Imperfect Cell was stronger than the Light Grenade but not by a great stretch. On top of it, I don't believe it was a durability feat but can understand those who...

I mean when he is fighting, not his regular and childish personality.

I can understand why people think that is a durability feat rather than a power feat.

Some of you make me believe that I'm rusty drawing and it's because I have 3+ years of not doing it, however, you have also inspired me to also perfect my style.

Android 17 in Z seems to be the type of guy that doesn't play around as shown with Gero, Trunks or Piccolo (other than using Tenshinhan as a coy). But, how many hits would he need in order to take SSJ Vegeta down?