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@Papasmurf What do you think about Jiren considering Hit a threat, but making little of Vegeta? Or Belmod considering that no one can threaten Jiren once Hit was gone? Of course, from the future perspective, it's clear that Belmod underestimated Vegeta, as he was surprised with how strong he got...

@Animelover5487 But, in this case, 17 was able to push back Base Toppo, as well as it left some cuts on his uniform. This also considering that 17's glove had no scratches after having direct contact with Ultimate Gohan's Kamehameha. At the very least, Base Toppo's edge over 17 has to be less...

17 is somewhat relative to Base Toppo given how he fared on that beam struggle and how he was able to distract him for a while, God Toppo lasted less time against Evolved Vegeta than what 17 did with Base Toppo even before Freeza arrived, even though he was just marginally weaker than Vegeta...

As well as is too short to even judge, unless we take into account him getting oneshooted by Kaioken Goku, which doesn't say much.

I truly don't understand your modus operandi, neither your way of thinking... You are basically saying that comments given in the story > facts? Yes, Zamasu became more angry, but even then, he wouldn't be the first enemy that become angry after something insignificant happens, Freeza was angry...

17 showed things far better than Gohan, but his performance against either God Toppo or Jiren seems too much out of place, he has incredible PIS on him. But idk at what point to take seriously his performance against Jiren considering that he did infinitely better against him than what he did...

Hmmm, how do you expect someone to dominate another one on a fight from 2-3 blows? It was a serious fight? It was just a fight of practice, none of the fights that take place on the recruitment ever went serious fights. Goku went Ssj Blue and then went Kaioken because Gohan doesn't stop yelling...

At what point are you exactly refering to...? The main point of Vegeta's question? Yes, Vegeta's question serves to the purpose to give the audience an answer with the premise of resolve something which is in doubt, this also happened in DBZ a lot of times such as when we realized that all the...

Hmm, yes, Gohan was stronger than SSJ2 Goku and I am not contending that. Goku isn't pushed back, but decides to use Kaioken to fulfill Gohan's wishes of Goku going all-out, not neccesarily because he felt in need to. No, that wasn't something you made up, but Ssj Blue Goku vs Ultimate Gohan...

It becomes apparent that in Vegeta's mind something strange was happening with Zamasu's body, which is unclear why that was even after seeing Ssj Blue Goku's Kamehameha against Merged Zamasu. Goku's kicks were able to do what they do, but Zamasu practically broken his leg and he just managed to...

Gowasu never mentions that Zamasu was falling apart, he just said that the balance between soul and body is becoming unstable. Zamasu never actually felt in need to regenerate, he just make that the light of justice hit him, but never gained any power from that. Yes, Future Zamasu needed...

Your thoughts on this?

To resist attacks that he usually could not? But, what does this is relevant to the discussion? Merged Zamasu is more vulnerable than Future Zamasu considering that one part of the fusion ain't immortal which provocates him not being able to use this on a similar level. Do you have anything to add?

Yes, only thing Goku managed to do was making him get angry. Gowasu states that if the balance between soul and body is becoming unstable, their chance may lie on hit him with greater power, either three of the saiyans managing to do anything isn't the thought on anyone's mind, at that point...

Yes, he is influencing, has he be immortal none of that could've actually happened, the inestability is what produced all the deformations he had. Are you losing the notion of time? Serious question, no offense. No, he took damage and needed to regenerate from Vegetto's last blow, which is...

You saying "that's not rebuttal" implies that I was trying to debunk you, when I was clearly not, this is a site in which we are here to discuss diferent views, is too immaturate to think that someone here cares about what the others think regardless of how wrong those beliefs are. A fact is...

No, it were defects of the fusion, not because of Goku's Kamehameha. The inestability of Zamasu was always present on the fusion and is always shown to be a weakness of himself. Zamasu wasn't completely immortal anymore as Goku will always form part of himself (Vegetto point this out to be)...

Hit gets stronger the much he improves, but it also has a certain limit when it comes to overcome a gap, as he was able to surpass Goku or Dyspo, but not Jiren. Either way, I don't know what does the situation of Hit training has anything to do with what is discussed on here.

Hmm no, it was stated that Zamasu's immortal body is having an effect on his mortal side, so no, Goku's Kamehameha didn't do that to Zamasu, but were defects of the fusion. Also, during the beam struggle between Goku and Merged Zamasu, Zamasu said "I ain't losing" and shows signs of surprise...

Hmm... but, to what are you exactly replying or which versions are you talking about...? I think Hit's power level and techniques got increased after adapting, so if Hit surpass Ssj Blue Kaioken Goku, his strength is also above that. @SIAD Thanks for tagging people.