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Even then, what makes you think that Goku Black is stronger than Champa arc Hit just going by the anime...? I don't think Zamasu's performance against the saiyans can be taken at face value, Zamasu's whole character is portrayed to always be on denial and understimate his oponents no matter how...

@GreatSaiyaman123 @SIAD @Animelover5487 (I don't know how much people is invested on DBS on this site)

I have to say that collecting all of this information took me more than a month, but it's finally completed. Re-watching the Champa arc, Goku Black arc and the TOP arc (at least until to Hit's elimination), I made a conclussion about this (as well as using writer's opinion on the matter)...

At what point exactly...? When Kid Buu went to Kaioshin's planet? Gogeta would defeat him in a blink of an eye. After the SSJ3 plan failed? It's relative. Even then, varying the continuity (wheter it's Toei or manga), if it were for Toei, I think they would allow Gogeta to transform into SSJ...

The way you look it makes it appear that you're just trying to look just how you think the narrative is developed, even though it is not, without searching different alternatives and how your premises and your conclussions have little to nothing to do with what the scripters are actually...

Well, this actually confirms my doubts, even then, everything on the story is there to be questioned and analyzed it's respective validity, but I think we just view it from different ways. Hmmm, no I'm not suggesting that Gohan is weaker than Goku basing on this scene, but whatever conclusion...

Your comment makes me believe that you're not open to official sources neither possible valid explanations and what you suggest is something absolute, okay... Of course, Goku considered it as a serious fight... to what exent? Is something that according that actual data that are brought to us is...

@Goku9001 Could be a threat, you say so yourself... Cell was expected to be a threat initially, but it turned out to be something exagerated as Piccolo points it out to be... Okay, but making a collect of a lot of random statements (which doesn't prove your premise as something true) is clearly...

I've always view that as Vegeta stating that Jiren wasn't as tough as before rather than him using less power on him. Even then, Vegeta proved to be nowhere near Jiren's level at that time, and the same can be said of Goku. If anything, I'm not saying that Gohan is weaker than RoF Freeza, but...

Okay, I guess Ssj Blue Goku from 122 can stomp anyone who is below Jiren's level, just because he was trading blows with him:

So, the results of a fight is determined by what happened on a scene that lasted mere seconds...?

You would have actually a point if Gohan could've forced Goku to go Blue similar to how 17 did it with him, but Goku just did it because Gohan told him to do, not for any other particular reason. Hmmm, no, nothing places Gohan leagues below Goku, but nothing places them as being equals neither...

Gohan literally begged Goku to go Blue: Hmmm no, the scene doesn't show anything of how they compare to each other as it was something too ephimeral to be accurately judged. Even judging things by perspective (because nothing clear is shown on this), then we have the supportment that Base...

I have Hit stronger than Goku in the Hit mini arc due to Goku considering that Hit is always one step ahead of him, as well as Vados implying that Hit is going easy on Goku. Hmmm... interesting, but I have to say that I have to rewatch Episodes 65 & 66 from Super to have a better notion.

Hit was weaker than Ssj Blue Goku in Episode 104, considering that he didn't walk through that mines whereas Ssj Blue Goku did it without a second thought and came out unscratched. I don't think Goku surpassed Goku Black without Kaioken in the Goku Black Saga, considering that Goku Black being...

Goku vs Hit rematch makes clear that Goku grow strong enough that he didn't felt pressured or in need to use Kaioken against an much stronger Hit, this doesn't make sense unless Goku has grown stronger than his prior Kaioken x10 level while just being in his regular Blue form. Goku performed...

@Goku9001 Ultimate Gohan vs Ssj Blue Goku was basically an exchange of 2-3 blows, don't really know what conclussion can it be made by something like this... Even though, I don't disagree that Goku surpassed his prior Kaioken x10 level just in his Blue form, he was still weaker than Hit given...

Actually, you're right, my bad... Episode: 93 Time: 05:51-05:06 Context: Goku tells what happens if Freeza betrays them Goku: "It's fine. If Freeza betrays us, me or Vegeta'll defeat him." What makes you think that Freeza is that inferior to Toppo...? His Kaioken level doesn't seem to be...

I have to say that I used to think it in that way, but from an alternative perspective, Golden Freeza being able to damage Base Toppo that badly from behind makes me believe that Ultimate Gohan never stood any chance against Golden Freeza. Goku told Vegeta that if Freeza causes trouble, either...

What do you think about Goku's statement that only him or Vegeta could stop Freeza if he causes trouble (before knowing that Freeza got stronger)? Also, I don't think Gohan's performance against Goku can mean something, when in the TOP, he showed to be no match for Base Toppo while having the...