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Sure, this is a personal preference thing. But everyone is literally blown away. The narrative seems clear that 50% Goku got everyone shook, so much so they think it might be his 100% power. That should be clear, head and shoulders superiority here. I have Buff Cell at 60% of 50% Goku. I think...

I think what's really large is the enraged multiplier and Goku. Enraged Gohan 900 Gohan 750 Goku 500 Regular Gohan is no doubt significantly superior to Goku at least by 1.25x-1.33x bare minimum.

I think that's good. 50% Goku should be a world away from the powers that preceded him.

Goku merely forgot about fusion at the time.

Because there literally is no room for a smaller multiplier. I need every bit of that 50x multiplier. It sure would be nice to have one of those fancy Grade 4 500x multiplier that all the kids on YouTube talk about but it's not even true. Android 18 1 Base Kids 1 Piccolo 1.5 Base Goku CG 2.5...

Looking quite good.

Buuhan thinks no fusion can beat him, then spends every second trying to deny said fusion of occurring. He even thought he could beat Gokan. Like yeah, no.

I no longer think Shin is anything special. I have him at Super Saiyan Goku level from the Androids Saga and that's it.

Oh no, Demon Slayer is that bad? I was looking forward to watching it in the future. My goodness. Some of these animes end up horrible and they get such good popularity.

So you should know better not to call people noobs who are discussing nuanced ideas with you. Goku could have defeated Fat Buu. He left the fate of the universe in the hands of the kids. If they can't beat Fat Buu, that would mean Goku left the universe to be doomed when he didn't finish off...

lol

Which forum have you frequented and for how long have you been doing this?

We have to stick to the facts. Super Saiyan Gotenks, before going into the Rosat is already at least on par with Super Saiyan 3 Goku. He then gets substantially stronger and adds two transformations as well. Goku is not only respectable, but he's the strongest. He previously was not the...

This wasn't an omission. Gohan has been stated to have used Super Saiyan against Dabura in the guidebook. Indeed. Your desire to make things make sense do not change the facts.

Except when it contradict itself and says Gohan was a Super Saiyan. And that would mean Piccolo got stronger.

Gohan intends to win. His mother is broke and needs money. He wouldn't be putting himself in a situation that he couldn't win in. The narrative is that the Saiyans chance of victory is assured, so there's no need for them to transform, since transformations warrant the same boosts, and their...

But Base Gotenks > Super Saiyan Kids ~ Cell Jr. I don't know if you buy that though.

Super Saiyan Goten is around the Cell Juniors level as stated by the Super manga. This is a spite thread. I'd say Base Goten vs Freeza would be a better battle, but even that's a wash. Base Goten is about on par with Android 18, who should be able to handle Freeza without exerting hardly any...

Beerus is goading Goku into transforming. Vegeta is accurate. Gohan's suggestion also suggests Base Gohan > Piccolo at the Budokai.

Base Gotenks cannot be stronger than Super Saiyan Goku. He must be much weaker.