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Which is what I'm saying.

He doesn't give the impression that he trains, though. The only time it might have made sense to say that is when he taught Vegeta how to use Ultra Ego, but we're not given any indication he got stronger from that.

Belmod over 100x weaker than Beerus. Oh man. I just would LOVE to see Toyotaro work out the numbers on that one since he wrote all the lines suggesting it.

Right, but why would a lower villain like that without any power-ups just casually and meaninglessly surpass the villain's prime power?

Fuck, I doubt they could even beat regular Perfect Cell together, let alone the manliest Cell.

Yuzun > Prime Moro, though? I'm forgetting a lot of Moro's power process, but wasn't he returned to prime condition on Namek?

I want to say Saganbo. I don't think he was counted when they said Yuzun was undefeatable.

Doubt it. He got Goku off-guard there.

Saganbo powered by Moro was a fucking beast. PSSB Goku was not going easy on him. It's definitely possible he would have stomped SSG Goku.

Look, you can think Jiren is the strongest now if you want, but since he hasn't been seen since the tournament, you have no proof of this. It's inadmissible as evidence and just speculation on your part. What the story we have been given actually says is that Beerus, Goku, Vegeta, Granolah are...

I'm still not understanding what this has to do with Jiren being on the same level as Beerus. Even Toyotaro said Beerus is still stronger than Goku while Goku is one of the top 3 strongest mortals in universe 7 (with Granolah and Vegeta). I never said Hit wasn't on the same level as Goku. But...

What was it? "u trash"?

ToP PSSB Goku is nowhere near God of Destruction level. That was obvious when he couldn't even budge a casual Jiren. I don't see what this has to do with Jiren. It took a lot of training after the ToP for Goku and Vegeta to pass God of Destruction level, and they're still trash to Beerus. Hit...

Because Jiren is stronger than Belmod. That doesn't mean he's stronger than every single God of Destruction. Belmod is simply one of the weaker gods and Beerus is probably tied for strongest. I'm not saying Hit isn't on par with Golden Freeza, but he's not stronger like you're saying. He didn't...

The story says Goku and Vegeta would stomp Jiren, and Beerus would stomp them, so logically Beerus would stomp Jiren. Whis is not an idiot. Time Lag is a special technique. That's like saying Goku is stronger than someone because he used the Kamehameha. Nothing about what Hit did in his...

Jiren is factually not stronger than Moro, Broly, and Granolah. Broly was stated to be stronger than Jiren. Whis already stated post-Yardrat Vegeta was stronger than Broly. Granolah became stronger than post-Yardrat Vegeta and post-Merus Goku. Jiren is nowhere near the top, regardless if he's...

Freeza wouldn't know that.

Turrble logic.

I actually see a bit of a problem now. Freeza trained and got a lot stronger, we know that. It was stated he was strong enough to stagger SSJ Broly and even make Broly dodge some of his hits. So the two really couldn't be too far apart even with Freeza's durability as a factor. But then why...

You act like mofukkin Krillin just stopped training after the potential unlock.