Dabura vs Goten & Trunks

[kriss-]

So your definition is contradicted then.

Gohan pulled his punches, not Goten.

The Manga implies this.

 

[ahill1]

How so? Both had their aura up and were using a lot of effort.

 

[kriss-]

How so? Both had their aura up and were using a lot of effort.

Goten is amazed at Gohan, but not Trunks.

Simple. What else? I've got counter arguments ready for things you probably already thought about.

 

[ahill1]

Of course he was amazed, he could barely touch him. This doesn not imply a huge gap at all.

 

[kriss-]

Of course he was amazed, he could barely touch him. This doesn not imply a huge gap at all.

He was amazed at Gohan but believed he could take Trunks.

Seriously, why are we even arguing at this point?

 

[kriss-]

AND LOL at you point. "He couldn't touch Gohan, this does not imply a huge gap'.

 

[ahill1]

Handsome Zarbon could not even touch Vegeta, despite being fairly close to him.

 

[ahill1]

And I never denied Gohan was stronger than him. But Goten is fairly close to his big brother.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Dabura definitely can't take both of them at once. Gohan fought him off pretty well and Goten was able to push him back during a sparing match so...

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Two low-mid FPSSJ tier inexperienced kids can't beat a SSJ2 tier fighter, who has magic tricks and an overpowered petrifying spit on his side.
So naturally, Dabra stomps.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Two low-mid FPSSJ tier inexperienced kids can't beat a SSJ2 tier fighter, who has magic tricks and an overpowered petrifying spit on his side.
So naturally, Dabra stomps.

Dabura is not SSJ2-tier.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Two low-mid FPSSJ tier inexperienced kids can't beat a SSJ2 tier fighter, who has magic tricks and an overpowered petrifying spit on his side.
So naturally, Dabra stomps.

Dabura is not SSJ2-tier.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

He fought evenly with SSJ2 Teen Gohan and was stated to be as strong as Cell by Goku.

 

[Pakl]

Gohan was SSjin vs Dabura

Dabura was stronger than SSjin Gohan who is well ahead of the kids.... Dabura wins... The kids have nothing

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

The dialogue, Gohan's hair and even Daizenshuu 7 all support Gohan being a SSJ2.
Dabra was fighting evenly with a rusty Gohan only through the use of his magic tricks, so he can't be stronger than him, if he was unable to overpower Gohan in a power struggle.

 

[Pakl]

Gohans hair is the same style with one bang since the budokai onwards... Not to mention his SSjin 2 hair is spikier... Daizenshuu 2 says Gohan only went SSjin 2 vs Kibito and the dialogue proves he was SSjin too... He was drawn as SSjin... Hence he is SSjin

Gohan never overpowered him either... Gohan was breathing heavily after his fight vs Dabura bit Dabura was not... He also said he is trash and he could beat him...

 

[kriss-]

Incorrect.

The artwork clearly implies that Gohan was a SSj. The electricity, his aura and hairstyle make it all too apparent.

 

[kriss-]

Handsome Zarbon could not even touch Vegeta, despite being fairly close to him.

All this proves is that gaps don't scale linearly.

Try again.

 

[Six Trails]

Handsome Zarbon could not even touch Vegeta, despite being fairly close to him.

All this proves is that gaps don't scale linearly.

Try again.

What it proves is that two people can be fairly close in power and the weaker one can not be able to land a hit on the stronger one, which refutes your claim that Goten must be far weaker than Gohan just because he wasn't able to land a hit on Gohan.

 

[Tapion]

Nappa was (in the opinion of basically everyone here) fairly close to Goku, and neither could land a hit.