Dabura vs Goten & Trunks

[Fantastische Hure]

Tosh's entire being may well be made of bias. It's simply precious when he goes around saying everyone's opinions are more biased than his

I can agree with you on that one.

 

[kriss-]

That statement is a reference to their potential. It has nothing to do with how they presently compare to Piccolo. As Krillen already ascertained that Piccolo was the strongest among himself, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo. This occurred after witnessing their battle power as Super Saiyans at the world martial arts tournament, and disregarding himself as a threat to the boys individually -conclusively, this implies that his Chi sensing abilities are at least reliable for the early portion of the Boo Saga.

 

[Pakl]

Chapter: 468 (DBZ 274), P12.7
Piccolo: “These two are our only hope…! Th-though it’s a faint hope…”
Note: this is before Fusion is mentioned

SSJ Kids > Piccolo

This automatically contradicts your statement of the Kids being in between 18 and Semi-Cell

Initial Perfect Cell ~ SSjin Kids > Piccolo

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That statement is a reference to their potential. It has nothing to do with how they presently compare to Piccolo. As Krillen already ascertained that Piccolo was the strongest among himself, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo. This occurred after witnessing their battle power as Super Saiyans at the world martial arts tournament, and disregarding himself as a threat to the boys individually -conclusively, this implies that his Chi sensing abilities are at least reliable for the early portion of the Boo Saga.

How the fuck does potential have anything to do with the current threat?

 

[kriss-]

Everyone who can't make a fuckin' point results to petty condescending name calling.

That's the saddest part about this.

It's no wonder the entire community is completely unable to discuss matters such as these in a respectful manner.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Chapter: 468 (DBZ 274), P12.7
Piccolo: “These two are our only hope…! Th-though it’s a faint hope…”
Note: this is before Fusion is mentioned

SSJ Kids > Piccolo

This automatically contradicts your statement of the Kids being in between 18 and Semi-Cell

Initial Perfect Cell ~ SSjin Kids > Piccolo

@Pakl, u are better than this

 

[Pakl]

That statement is a reference to their potential. It has nothing to do with how they presently compare to Piccolo. As Krillen already ascertained that Piccolo was the strongest among himself, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo. This occurred after witnessing their battle power as Super Saiyans at the world martial arts tournament, and disregarding himself as a threat to the boys individually -conclusively, this implies that his Chi sensing abilities are at least reliable for the early portion of the Boo Saga.

When did Krillin say Piccolo is stronger? The kids are stronger based on Piccolo say and his face when he saw their power

I dont see Piccolo fighting SSjin Gohan and not getting one shotted?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Everyone who can't make a fuckin' point results to petty condescending name calling.

That's the saddest part about this.

It's no wonder the entire community is completely unable to discuss matters such as these in a respectful manner.

You're snarky remarks are worse. You might not be in your face but you clearly write some condescending shit.

 

[Future Warrior]

Chapter: 468 (DBZ 274), P12.7
Piccolo: “These two are our only hope…! Th-though it’s a faint hope…”
Note: this is before Fusion is mentioned

SSJ Kids > Piccolo

This automatically contradicts your statement of the Kids being in between 18 and Semi-Cell

Initial Perfect Cell ~ SSjin Kids > Piccolo

SSJ Kids >> SSJ Vegeta (Cell Games) >= SSJ Trunks (Cell Games) >= Piccolo >>> Intital P.Cell 1

 

[kriss-]

That statement is a reference to their potential. It has nothing to do with how they presently compare to Piccolo. As Krillen already ascertained that Piccolo was the strongest among himself, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo. This occurred after witnessing their battle power as Super Saiyans at the world martial arts tournament, and disregarding himself as a threat to the boys individually -conclusively, this implies that his Chi sensing abilities are at least reliable for the early portion of the Boo Saga.

How the fuck does potential have anything to do with the current threat?

The entire point of the Boo Saga was to have them train. We already have evidence that implies they're far weaker than Piccolo., whom even suggested the RoSaT to Goku. So it's entirely feasible that he planned to have them train before fusion was mentioned, which is essentially what he had them do after fusion was mentioned.

Instead of taking statements at face value, you should apply them to the larger context of the story.

 

[Six Trails]

I dont see Piccolo fighting SSjin Gohan and not getting one shotted?

I don't see Initial Perfect Cell fighting SSjin Gohan and not getting one-shotted either.

 

[Pakl]

Chapter: 468 (DBZ 274), P12.7
Piccolo: “These two are our only hope…! Th-though it’s a faint hope…”
Note: this is before Fusion is mentioned

SSJ Kids > Piccolo

This automatically contradicts your statement of the Kids being in between 18 and Semi-Cell

Initial Perfect Cell ~ SSjin Kids > Piccolo

@Pakl, u are better than this

Thats how it scaled me because the kids myst be below 18 in base

I can see them in par with 50% MSSjin Goku.... Regardless Goku wins... He is in par with Boo Arc Gohan who much stronger than the kids....

 

[Papasmurf]

Being masters doesnt mean ki alone... Regardless you have no evidence the kids are stronger than Initial Perfect Cell level... Prove me wrong

Arguing semantics I see

The master thing has been in general been used to equate to power, which was why Roshi described Panputto as a great master for normal human standards but said that Yamcha and Kuririn had trouble with guys like Ten and Chaozu because they were masters surpassing that. Never does it really imply technique when Kuririn was clearly less skilled at ki control than Chaozu and won, etc.

The evidence is that Vegeta would've easily avoided all of Trunks' strikes if he was like 4x stronger than he was the same way he had no trouble stomping anyone weaker than him since the Saiyan and Freeza arcs. Since you dance circles around that and say "strong for their age" without end, that's that 1

 

[kriss-]

That statement is a reference to their potential. It has nothing to do with how they presently compare to Piccolo. As Krillen already ascertained that Piccolo was the strongest among himself, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo. This occurred after witnessing their battle power as Super Saiyans at the world martial arts tournament, and disregarding himself as a threat to the boys individually -conclusively, this implies that his Chi sensing abilities are at least reliable for the early portion of the Boo Saga.

When did Krillin say Piccolo is stronger? The kids are stronger based on Piccolo say and his face when he saw their power

I dont see Piccolo fighting SSjin Gohan and not getting one shotted?

Kuririn: Frankly, even you're no match for him.

Krillen states this as Piccolo was about to attack Majin Boo when Kaioshin was getting curb-stomped. Remember, Goten and Trunks became Super Saiyans twice during the world martial arts tournament, so he has a pretty good idea on how they stack in comparison to Piccolo.

 

[Pakl]

I dont see Piccolo fighting SSjin Gohan and not getting one shotted?

I don't see Initial Perfect Cell fighting SSjin Gohan and not getting one-shotted either.

They were sparring not fighting... Regardless, CG Goku is in par with Boo Arc Gohan who is stronger than the kids so Goku wins... Stop wanking... Goten being in par with CG Goku is wanking... He is at best 50% MSSjin Goku

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Initial Perfect Cell ~ SSjin Kids > Piccolo

@Pakl, u are better than this

Thats how it scaled me because the kids myst be below 18 in base

I can see them in par with 50% MSSjin Goku.... Regardless Goku wins... He is in par with Boo Arc Gohan who much stronger than the kids....

This isn't Goten vs Goku thread.

 

[Six Trails]

They were sparring not fighting...

I don't see your point.

Stop wanking... Goten being in par with CG Goku is wanking... He is at best 50% MSSjin Goku

It's not wanking. At all. I just don't randomly nerf characters I don't like.

 

[Pakl]

Being masters doesnt mean ki alone... Regardless you have no evidence the kids are stronger than Initial Perfect Cell level... Prove me wrong

Arguing semantics I see

The master thing has been in general been used to equate to power, which was why Roshi described Panputto as a great master for normal human standards but said that Yamcha and Kuririn had trouble with guys like Ten and Chaozu because they were masters surpassing that. Never does it really imply technique when Kuririn was clearly less skilled at ki control than Chaozu and won, etc.

The evidence is that Vegeta would've easily avoided all of Trunks' strikes if he was like 4x stronger than he was the same way he had no trouble stomping anyone weaker than him since the Saiyan and Freeza arcs. Since you dance circles around that and say "strong for their age" without end, that's that 1

Lol.... Vegeta should not have troubles because he is way ahead of Gohan who is stronger than the kids so it proves my point that they did not expect them to be strong... Even in Super, Vegeta recalls his promise to Trunks if he hits him and that doesnt stop the authors to not consider this as the kids being close to the adults because it was more of a way to show their surprise... By your logic Vegeta is not even 1.5x Trunks but he must be based on his gap on Gohan lol

 

[Future Warrior]

I swear, these people are stubborn as hell. They just come up with some Bullshit excuse to fit their point of view

 

[kriss-]

People place too much emphasis on gaps and why fighter A should get single shotted by fighter B because of <- Insert fan made myths about gaps here ->. It's a logical fallacy. The evidence (for lack of a better word) that supports the notion that the kids are as powerful as people claim them to be, can be explained by more logical reasoning -in the face of additional evidence that supports the contrary, seems to make the most sense since we have to completely adapt everything within the Manga to come towards a conclusion, as opposed to bits and pieces that support our personal viewpoints.