Dabura vs Goten & Trunks

[Pakl]

Chapter: 468 (DBZ 274), P12.7
Piccolo: “These two are our only hope…! Th-though it’s a faint hope…”
Note: this is before Fusion is mentioned

SSJ Kids > Piccolo

This automatically contradicts your statement of the Kids being in between 18 and Semi-Cell

Initial Perfect Cell ~ SSjin Kids > Piccolo

SSJ Kids >> SSJ Vegeta (Cell Games) >= SSJ Trunks (Cell Games) >= Piccolo >>> Intital P.Cell 1

Piccolo is much weaker than Trunks in the CG as he is never grouped with them in Cells statement

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I swear, these people are stubborn as hell. They just come up with some Bullshit excuse to fit their point of view

I know, right?!

 

[Pakl]

That statement is a reference to their potential. It has nothing to do with how they presently compare to Piccolo. As Krillen already ascertained that Piccolo was the strongest among himself, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo. This occurred after witnessing their battle power as Super Saiyans at the world martial arts tournament, and disregarding himself as a threat to the boys individually -conclusively, this implies that his Chi sensing abilities are at least reliable for the early portion of the Boo Saga.

When did Krillin say Piccolo is stronger? The kids are stronger based on Piccolo say and his face when he saw their power

I dont see Piccolo fighting SSjin Gohan and not getting one shotted?

Kuririn: Frankly, even you're no match for him.

Krillen states this as Piccolo was about to attack Majin Boo when Kaioshin was getting curb-stomped. Remember, Goten and Trunks became Super Saiyans twice during the world martial arts tournament, so he has a pretty good idea on how they stack in comparison to Piccolo.

How does that male him stronger? So he is stronger than Goku and Vegeta??? Lol... That has nothing to do with power comparasion

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@Pakl, do u have a new PL-List???

 

[Future Warrior]

Their hopeless... I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. I think I'm just about done here lol.

 

[Pakl]

They were sparring not fighting...

I don't see your point.

Stop wanking... Goten being in par with CG Goku is wanking... He is at best 50% MSSjin Goku

It's not wanking. At all. I just don't randomly nerf characters I don't like.

I dont hate the kids... Saying Goten is in par with CG Goku or stronger (when he is well below Gohan as he even says Gohan is incredible)
When CG Goku is in par with Boo Saga Gohan who is stronger than Goten is wanking

 

[kriss-]

I'm not being stubborn at all. You have a personal viewpoint and I disagree with you.

 

[Papasmurf]

Lol.... Vegeta should not have troubles because he is way ahead of Gohan who is stronger than the kids so it proves my point that they did not expect them to be strong... Even in Super, Vegeta recalls his promise to Trunks if he hits him and that doesnt stop the authors to not consider this as the kids being close to the adults because it was more of a way to show their surprise... By your logic Vegeta is not even 1.5x Trunks but he must be based on his gap on Gohan lol

We know Vegeta > Gohan because he said in the spaceship that he and Goku are stronger than Gohan now. Yet in no way does that imply some chain like

Vegeta - 100

Gohan - 85

Goten/Trunks - 20-30

because that'd make it absurd that the vastly higher Vegeta had trouble dodging Trunks' punches and was forced to counterattack. You may as well be arguing that post-Rosat SSJ Vegeta would still get hit by #18 if he hadn't fought her before because he underestimated how strong a woman would be 1 1

Trunks' fight with Vegeta in the gravity chamber went much like Kuririn vs. Jackie Chun in the 21st with Kuririn forcing Roshi to block with his hands because he had trouble dodging. Vegeta and Roshi were the superior yes, but if it were by 4+ fold Trunks would've been blown out of the water like Yamcha or Man-wolf. What the feats show, I follow in all these instances

 

[Pakl]

Their hopeless... I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. I think I'm just about done here lol.

Lol you are so ignorant now... You have not shown evidence while I did... The kids are not close to Gohan but well below him is backed upby the creators as well...

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'm not being stubborn at all. You have a personal viewpoint and I disagree with you.

But that personal view-point makes absolutely no-sense and twists statements to fit your bias.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Their hopeless... I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. I think I'm just about done here lol.

Lol you are so ignorant now... You have not shown evidence while I did... The kids are not close to Gohan but well below him is backed upby the creators as well...

bro, calm-down plz

i think he has a point

 

[Pakl]

Lol.... Vegeta should not have troubles because he is way ahead of Gohan who is stronger than the kids so it proves my point that they did not expect them to be strong... Even in Super, Vegeta recalls his promise to Trunks if he hits him and that doesnt stop the authors to not consider this as the kids being close to the adults because it was more of a way to show their surprise... By your logic Vegeta is not even 1.5x Trunks but he must be based on his gap on Gohan lol

We know Vegeta > Gohan because he said in the spaceship that he and Goku are stronger than Gohan now. Yet in no way does that imply some chain like

Vegeta - 100

Gohan - 85

Goten/Trunks - 20-30

because that'd make it absurd that the vastly higher Vegeta had trouble dodging Trunks' punches and was forced to counterattack. You may as well be arguing that post-Rosat SSJ Vegeta would still get hit by #18 if he hadn't fought her before because he underestimated how strong a woman would be 1 1

Vegeta has a bigger gap on Gohan... Vegeta said he is not holding back on 18 and she was stronger

Again him laying a hit is nothing but Vegeta not expecting such power... The authors seem to agree to in how they show the flashback of their spar but still say Vegeta is way stronger.... Vegetas gap on Trunks is at least as big as Gokus on the Ginyu force but they never touched Goku... Lol... The kids dont have to be so steong but just way stronger than base Goku is enough

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Lol.... Vegeta should not have troubles because he is way ahead of Gohan who is stronger than the kids so it proves my point that they did not expect them to be strong... Even in Super, Vegeta recalls his promise to Trunks if he hits him and that doesnt stop the authors to not consider this as the kids being close to the adults because it was more of a way to show their surprise... By your logic Vegeta is not even 1.5x Trunks but he must be based on his gap on Gohan lol

We know Vegeta > Gohan because he said in the spaceship that he and Goku are stronger than Gohan now. Yet in no way does that imply some chain like

Vegeta - 100

Gohan - 85

Goten/Trunks - 20-30

because that'd make it absurd that the vastly higher Vegeta had trouble dodging Trunks' punches and was forced to counterattack. You may as well be arguing that post-Rosat SSJ Vegeta would still get hit by #18 if he hadn't fought her before because he underestimated how strong a woman would be 1 1

Vegeta has a bigger gap on Gohan... Vegeta said he is not holding back on 18 and she was stronger

Again him laying a hit is nothing but Vegeta not expecting such power... The authors seem to agree to in how they show the flashback of their spar but still say Vegeta is way stronger.... Vegetas gap on Trunks is at least as big as Gokus on the Ginyu force but they never touched Goku... Lol... The kids dont have to be so steong but just way stronger than base Goku is enough

Didn't you just defeat your argument?

 

[Papasmurf]

He doesn't even know what he's arguing about at this point me thinks 1

 

[Pakl]

I do... CG Goku >> Goten is my point because Goten is weaker than Gohan

 

[ahill1]

The kids are fairly close to Gohan, as shown in the sparring session between Goten and Gohan. Gohan was equal with Dabra power-wise, only losing due to being rusty and Dabra being a tough opponent. The kids fighting together should be able to overwhelm Dabra had they knowledge of his split, me thinks.

 

[kriss-]

The kids are fairly close to Gohan, as shown in the sparring session between Goten and Gohan. Gohan was equal with Dabra power-wise, only losing due to being rusty and Dabra being a tough opponent. The kids fighting together should be able to overwhelm Dabra had they knowledge of his split, me thinks.

The definition of sparring means that you intentionally pull your punches.

 

[Six Trails]

...So Goten was intentionally pulling his punches?

 

[kriss-]

...So Goten was intentionally pulling his punches?

Incorrect.

 

[Six Trails]

So your definition is contradicted then.