Dragon Ball Discussion

[GreatSaiyaman123]

IIRC This is on the anime as well, so it's not even a Viz mistake, it wqs Toriyama's.

Though there's a theory from Speedster from Kanzenshui that Trunks from Cell's TL was going to the past to change the future and/or wish for the DBs to fix stuff on his timeline, not to meet the Z Fighters.

 

[Papasmurf]

Think that's just one of many of 's time paradox plot holes

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Then you can just go along with Base Trunks>>>>Base Trunks prior to leaving for the past. Cell's reaction tells me the improvement was noticeable enough for him to actually comment on it.

I actually go with Base Trunks > Cell because of that implication.

How strong you think Base Trunks was at that point?

I'm guessing you think Future Cell is pretty weak.

I have him above his pre-rosat Super Saiyan level, but still weaker than the Future Androids.

Sure, you could make the case that he transformed just to end it quickly, but I don't think he'd feel comfortable taking them on without Super Saiyan.

 

[ahill1]

Here's my take on Future Cell's (the one who battled future Trunks) power:

It seems that the Future Cell who battle Trunks was considerably stronger than the one who battled Kamiccolo in Ginger Town, because:

1 --> The Cell from future Trunks' timeline displayed an aura when reveling up to fight the boy, while 'Ginger Town' Cell didn't:

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2 --> The Cell from Trunks' timeline was apparently already searching for the androids, while the one we had more coentact with wished to avoid a combat until strong enough... plus the fact that he stated Trunks couldn't even defeat the androids, much less him, which gives us with a "Ginger Town Cell < androids" and "future Cell [Trunks' TL] >> androids" scenario...


But I still think that the Cell who was killed by Trunks still wasn't quite as strong as the one who easily dominated Kamiccolo and #17, considering Cell stated, in the main timeline, that he absorbed more people than needed:

And earlier he had stated how absorbing Kamiccolo would take him to nearly the completion of his initial evlution:

So I figure out that Cell's initial evolution is the power he had before reverting himself to an egg, and that once losing power upon doing it, he had to absorb people to get him to that level... but since he had overdone it (like he himself stated) in the main timeline, then the version of the one who wrecked Kamiccolo would still be a bit stronger than the one who fought and was killed by Trunks... who would then be the Cell with his "1st evolution completed", without overdoing it. Something like this, numerically:

Kamiccolo : 375,000,000
Imperfect Cell (vs Trunks, 1st evolution completed) : 450,000,000
Imperfect Cell ('wrecking Kamiccolo', has overdone it) : 500,000,000


Although yeah, I think the "I've absorbed more ppl than needed" might be simply referring to Cell becoming stronger than needed to deal with Kamiccolo and absorb #17 by force. Although I like to think it the way I do since it gives a nice placement to the future Cell who battled Trunks, who would then be considerably stronger than the Ginger Town one but still not quite as strong as the one who equaled #16.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I agree with that breakdown.

Do you think Cell's "1st evolution" is something that came from him absorbing a ton of people? Cell says he immediately went looking for the Androids when he was activated, so it seems like he was created to be superior to the Androids right off the bat.

 

[ahill1]

I agree with that breakdown.

Do you think Cell's "1st evolution" is something that came from him absorbing a ton of people? Cell says he immediately went looking for the Androids when he was activated, so it seems like he was created to be superior to the Androids right off the bat.

Yeah, I think he was created to be superior to the androids but ended up losing power upon reverting himself to an egg, there in having to absorb ppl to get him to the level he had before the hatching.

There's nothing implying the Cell from Trunks' timeline had been absorbing people, right?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I'm guessing you think Future Cell is pretty weak.

Nah, i actually think Base Trunks is rather strong.


@Ahill Cell saying he overdid it got me thinking... Do you think Cell has a limit of how many people he can drink? I mean, he absorbed more people than he should, and he was actually going to absorb even more as shown he was killing a guy when he sensed Piccolo's power.

 

[ahill1]

@Saiyaman

He said he absorbed more ppl than he needed, which to me basically might imply two things:

1 --> He over did it and needn't that many ppl to defeat Kamiccolo and to force #17 to become part of him;
2 --> He absorbed more ppl than needed to get him to this "1st evolution" level, and ended up surpassing the level he had prior to being weakened by the hatching;

I honestly don't see a correlation between this line with a potential limit on the number of earthlings Cell could absorb, although ppl in general speculate that the level he got when absorbing #17 is a level he could get only when absorbing the androids, and no earthlings should get him up to that level.

 

[Jeff Styles]

When Trunks and Vegeta were in the ROSAT, why didn't Piccolo ask Goku to watch out for Cell's ki and let him know so he could teleport him to Cell? Or did Cell hid his ki completely before he surpass Piccolo?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I agree with that breakdown.

Do you think Cell's "1st evolution" is something that came from him absorbing a ton of people? Cell says he immediately went looking for the Androids when he was activated, so it seems like he was created to be superior to the Androids right off the bat.

Yeah, I think he was created to be superior to the androids but ended up losing power upon reverting himself to an egg, there in having to absorb ppl to get him to the level he had before the hatching.

There's nothing implying the Cell from Trunks' timeline had been absorbing people, right?

Nothing except the Anime.

I don't like the idea of Trunks allowing an already near extinct population of people to continue decreasing while sitting around waiting for Cell.

When Trunks and Vegeta were in the ROSAT, why didn't Piccolo ask Goku to watch out for Cell's ki and let him know so he could teleport him to Cell? Or did Cell hid his ki completely before he surpass Piccolo?

Cell was completely suppressed. They noted how Cell was extra careful and thought using the airship would allow them to sneak up on him. Piccolo was never able to sense Cell, but he eventually assumed Cell powered-up enough to absorb the Androids.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Auras are a physical representation of someone's Ki, right?

 

[ahill1]

Cell was completely suppressed. They noted how Cell was extra careful and thought using the airship would allow them to sneak up on him. Piccolo was never able to sense Cell, but he eventually assumed Cell powered-up enough to absorb the Androids.

Well, Tenshinhan and Piccolo realized a slight disturbance in chi when Cell was absorbing some people, but they still weren't fast enough to get there as Cell realized they were on their way there and immediately hided himself... so using Goku's Shunkan Ido to get there fast enough could be a good plan for this situation.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Goku would pretty much need to be on standby just in case they started to sense something. I also think consistently picking up on Chi that low would be pretty difficult. Tien seemed to notice it after sensing in a certain direction, but it doesn't seem like something that was too obvious since Piccolo was surprised about it.

 

[SSJ2]

Auras are a physical representation of someone's Ki, right?

?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

?

I mean, when characters power up, fly (Which requires Ki) or transform they show auras. When they power up or charge an attack they show furious auras. The aura is generated by Ki, isn't it?

 

[ahill1]

Goku would pretty much need to be on standby just in case they started to sense something. I also think consistently picking up on Chi that low would be pretty difficult. Tien seemed to notice it after sensing in a certain direction, but it doesn't seem like something that was too obvious since Piccolo was surprised about it.

Yeah, but if Tenshinhan managed to sense some chi disturbance, then I don't think it's impossible for Goku to do it after some moment of concentration, specially when Goku seems proficient enough in the art of sensing chi that he could sense chi from ppl in a different planet upon knowing their direction. Then, after feeling it, he could have quickly grabbed Piccolo and got him there where Cell was, I think. It might not work, but it'd be worth trying at least imo.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why did Gohan tell Goten that Golu was the strongest in the universe despite the strongest being Gohan himself?

 

[Papasmurf]

Gohan denied being above Galu post-CG as well

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't think that'd be the best way to hype up their father. Goku's rep was more important to Gohan than being accurate about his power.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo Junior is a warrior-type Namekian, right? What about his 'father', Piccolo Daimao? Could you guys clarify me this whole Namekian hierarchy? Thanks!