Dragon Ball Discussion

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Was he refering to Vegeta? He could be talking about Freeza's as well.

 

[ahill1]

Nah, it was in reference to Vegeta's power up. Kuririn even mentioned right after that's why Vegeta told him to attack him until he was near death, to which Piccolo said something like "I see... he was right then" or something along those lines.

 

[Papasmurf]

That's filler anyway, doesn't mean much. Besides which Piccolo fused with someone while Vegeta merely recovered from an injury.

 

[ahill1]

I noticed in my post that such was filler. But still sometimes I don't see the problem in using filler scenes from the anime when there's an absence of contradiction in the manga. Even if Piccolo made use of fusion to get him there, it still counts as powering up all of a sudden, as he didn't mention "powering up all of a sudden on his own" or anything along those lines.

You could bring up Piccolo's power up on Kaio's planet, which was arguably way higher than Vegeta's, but that still could not count as powering up all of a sudden, as Piccolo spent 6 days there training.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why Future Gohan says Trunks is the only one who can beat the twins and then leaves to fight them?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Because he knew he wasn't going to survive against both Androids. At the most, it was a suicide mission from his perspective. There was better odds in Trunks improving and defeating the Androids someday than there was in Gohan successfully taking both Androids down.

He didn't think he was going to be stomped because he assumed the Androids (or #17 alone) were at least fighting him seriously. Learning that it was the exact opposite is the part that threw him off.

 

[Papasmurf]

Future Gohan is honestly pretty retarded if he thinks Trunks can make such progress in a few months, yet can't just leave the androids be when he knows he has little chance of stopping them without losing his life.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I honestly don't know why he even bothered. I know he got a lot stronger during the yr, but it was still an unnecessary battle.

 

[Papasmurf]

I know right? The only way I could sort of justify it is if the androids pulled a Cell and announced they'll kill everyone in the world if Gohan doesn't show, but we saw how the Earth still had tens of thousands of people left several years later. Just a cancerous decision almost as rash as pre-Nail Piccolo challenging Freeza.

 

[ahill1]

Because he knew he wasn't going to survive against both Androids. At the most, it was a suicide mission from his perspective. There was better odds in Trunks improving and defeating the Androids someday than there was in Gohan successfully taking both Androids down.

He didn't think he was going to be stomped because he assumed the Androids (or #17 alone) were at least fighting him seriously. Learning that it was the exact opposite is the part that threw him off.

I wouldn't say that he exactly knew he wasn't going to survive, he just wasn't sure. He stated to #17 that this would be his turn to lose, so he is definitely surpassing less than half #17, but it's still something he couldn't be completely sure as he is battling both androids and knows both have infinite stamina. So whilst he is conaiderably stronger than ~40% #17, a battle against both of them might very well have an obscure ending.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

That's why I think Gohan looked at it as a suicide mission. He knew the odds were against him, and knew it was better leaving Trunks behind because the chances of them both being killed were too high. So he didn't know exactly what the end result would be, but he knew there was a greater chance of not surviving the battle than somehow emerging victorious.

 

[ahill1]

That's why I think Gohan looked at it as a suicide mission. He knew the odds were against him, and knew it was better leaving Trunks behind because the chances of them both being killed were too high. So he didn't know exactly what the end result would be, but he knew there was a greater chance of not surviving the battle than somehow emerging victorious.

Yeah, whilst he knew he was more powerful than the level #17 used against him before, there were two of them, both types with infinite energy and he was lacking an arm. The odds of him not winning were still rather high, although I think he might have thought he'd take down at least one of them, probably #17, considering he said he had been training hard and that it was his time to lose.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Does Gohan knows about their infinite stamina though? Trunks wasn't aware of it until Piccolo pointed out.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Actually, Trunks was the one that mentioned their infinite energy when Piccolo asked if #17 and #18 were capable of absorbing energy.

Pretty sure Gohan would've known.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah 17 probably tooled Gohan at 45% or whatever and told him he can't win due to the power difference as well as the stamina loss Gohan suffers.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

And the fact Gohan has an arm missing.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I wonder if Mr. Popo is alive in that timeline.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He's been making toast for almost 20 years.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Not anymore because Zeno erased it

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Not anymore because Zeno erased it

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