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Goku says after the Kamehameha that it was time to go all-out just before Metallic ran out of batteries, so what he showcased during the fight wouldn't have been Goku's full effort and even then, he didn't intend on destroying Metallic's head with a Kamehameha. I doubt he was holding back by much though, so somewhere in between 21st TB Kuririn and Namu would seem accurate.
 

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I agree. I have him falling just short of Namu.
 

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How does Murasaki compare to Silver? His speed seemed impressive, but Silver also was fast enough to catch Goku by surprise. Are they close in power?
 

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Murasaki ought to be far above Silver. Goku wasn't able to instantly catch up to or blitz him as he did Silver and even when fighting him on an even terrain, Goku didn't immediately break through his defences when their weapons clashed. Murasaki ought to be on 21st TB Kuririn's level more or less.
 

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You think so? I can’t see Murasaki giving Jackie Chun nearly as much trouble as Krillin did. I agree he should be above Silver, but I don’t know about being on par with Krillin.
 

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Roshi noted that it was only against Goku he had to get truly serious against and he beat Kuririn pretty swiftly when he started to get serious, to the point Kuririn was virtually helpless. That's not too far off from what Murasaki did to Galu, able to defend himself for a short while but ultimately mismatched.
 

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Fair enough. I’ll put Murasaki 1 point below Krillin because you’re wrong. :troll
 

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You motherfucker. You obviously just looked at my power level list and copied me.
 

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Would the Pirate Robot get stomped by Metallic?
 

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I still don’t get how Goku is able to feel the Pirate Robot’s presence. It should have no ki signature being a robot, but Goku was able to discern that it was not a human right away..
 

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didn't he maybe listen to someone's noise or something?

general metallic (or full metal jacket) was a tough bastard. goku's KMHMH completely vaporizing his head while goku's melee attacks hadn't that much of an effect might be a good evidence for his KMHMH packing a considerable amp even back then. pity his battery run off lol. would like to see how it'd be with goku putting everything he has got in an attack.

it's funny how ninja murasaki used the flag of USA to hide himself. these subteities in the jokes makes this DB a pretty mature work, as well.
 

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I don’t think there was a noise. He said he could sense an inhuman presence, he would have said he heard someone if that was the case.

Yea I think Metallic would stomp the Robot. I have him about on par with Blue.
 

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Super Saiyan said:
I still don’t get how Goku is able to feel the Pirate Robot’s presence. It should have no ki signature being a robot, but Goku was able to discern that it was not a human right away..
It was probably his heightened senses allowing him to detect either its movements, smell or sound, similar to how he detected the presence of a villager in the first arc despite not being able to sense Ki until after the Choshinsui. The page showing the robot watching them does feature a sound effect of its movement, after all.

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Would the Pirate Robot get stomped by Metallic?
Probably not stomped. A Goku stronger than his Muscle Tower self had some trouble with it, after all. Still, with it being taken out by something as simple as Galu finding a way to add more kinetic energy to his strike, it definitely ought to be less durable than Metallic and even its shock attack didn't seem to damage Goku as much as Metallic's punches. I would say that an electrical attack might cause trouble to Metallic's circuits though, but other than that he has the robot beat in both power and durability.
 

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The smell is a good point. Maybe Goku felt a smell akin to a metal and concluded it wasn't human lol. Or maybe he knew something was there but since he felt no human traces (like breathing or a human smell) he concluded it was inhuman.
 

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Goku getting into a city the first time was pretty funny and well handled. You could see through Goku some pertinent critics made to the life in big cities, such as ppl rushing from left to right, how bustly it seems making ppl to go crazy, etc. There's that fighter there Goku fought and got the money. His hair seems a lot like Bruce Lee's. Wonder if Toriyama inspired on Bruce to make him. He is basically a nobody though lol.
 

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Goku getting into a city the first time was pretty funny and well handled. You could see through Goku some pertinent critics made to the life in big cities, such as ppl rushing from left to right, how bustly it seems making ppl to go crazy, etc.
One part of that I find quite interesting is how little value Goku places on money. Through having made a self-sufficient lifestyle in the wilderness, it shows how he sees money as just a means to an end compared to most civilised life viewing it as a goal to acquire. This rings pretty true to how the cash system can be critiqued in real life as, unlike the gold standard which has a finite enough amount to place significant value on it, cash in itself is just paper that could be printed infinitely if not for governments wanting to keep in place a system of debt and inflation. That analysis could be seen as reaching, but considering Toriyama is no stranger to adding political or social critique through gags and metaphors such as Oolong's design being a literal communist pig in the first arc or Toriyama going on record to state Freeza being an intergalactic loan shark as what makes him a truly menacing villain, I wouldn't put this subtle nod past him in his prime.

There's that fighter there Goku fought and got the money. His hair seems a lot like Bruce Lee's. Wonder if Toriyama inspired on Bruce to make him. He is basically a nobody though lol.
Toriyama has made it apparent he's a big fan of Kung-Fu flicks (mainly Jackie Chan movies, as made obvious by Jackie Chun and his drunken fist) and it's assumed the structure of Muscle Tower was based on the Bruce Lee film Game of Death (though I'm unsure if this was confirmed by Toriyama himself), so a homage like this is expected.
He probably made him a jobber to show the difference between the peak of our world's martial artists and what makes for Tenkaichi Budokai material.
 

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Probably above Namu at least. He flung both Goku and Yajirobe far further above the clouds during the Piccolo Daimao Arc than Namu was capable of leaping, and Yajirobe weighed more than Namu. He did state he failed to climb Karin tower in his youth, so unless assuming he made those swole GAINZ later in life, he ought to still be below post-Muscle Tower Goku, or at least have less stamina than him.
 

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