Is this proof that Freeza>19?

[kriss-]

Beerus was suppressed to the level of 10% power. This means his durability was also depleted to that magnitude of power. That specific feat holds no authority over fighters who are at 100% power.

Android 20 was in the midst of clearing the city and obviously recognizes that Goku is about to attack him. It seems likely that he would brace himself for the attack. Other-wise, the Piccolo kicking Frieza feat would have been played over again.

u jst said that his durability was also depleted to wtvr he suppressed his powers to

so ye it does mean something here

u admitted urself there

I'm not sure what you're saying.

Anyways, Stating something as though it is fact isn't really a compelling argument. I like to have a logical explanation for essentially any feat or statement in the Manga. The only logical conclusion is that 20 braced himself after Goku screamed. I'm not just going to dismiss the feat. It also plays in line with the logic that the Androids are weaker than Organic Frieza.

 

[Papasmurf]

Cell knew Vegeta was nearby and was caught off guard while firing an attack. Gohan saw Cell's beam coming and shielded Vegeta from it but was unable to defend. Remind me how these situations are different from the one you're describing.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Beerus was suppressed to the level of 10% power. This means his durability was also depleted to that magnitude of power. That specific feat holds no authority over fighters who are at 100% power.

Android 20 was in the midst of clearing the city and obviously recognizes that Goku is about to attack him. It seems likely that he would brace himself for the attack. Other-wise, the Piccolo kicking Frieza feat would have been played over again.

u jst said that his durability was also depleted to wtvr he suppressed his powers to

so ye it does mean something here

u admitted urself there

I'm not sure what you're saying.

u faker

listen ok

ok jst try to listen plz

ok???

u said bills' durability/defense also went down to 10% of his full durability when he suppressed his powers to that much

if everything went-down to 10%

then it is indeed comparable to characters also using their full-power

since at 10% everything is down to 10%

it's like his 10% at that point is all he can do

including if some1 is stronger than his 10%, he'd get hurt unless he powered-up

 

[POOHEAD189]

So...#20 knows Goku is standing nearby, and because of that, he's automatically considered on-guard no matter what?

Real-life example: I show up to someone's house because their boyfriend has a knife and is threatening to kill everyone. Me and my partner round up the inhabitants, including the boyfriend who we keep in a separate room right next to the living room with the others. So I'm standing in the bedroom watching the boyfriend, my gun is drawn, and then I decide to turn and ask the girlfriend something. The boyfriend jumps up and punches me in the face, staggering me a bit. Was I on-guard for that attack just because I knew the guy was near me? I wouldn't consider myself on-guard, but I guess if you do, then we've got different definitions.

To be honest, Gero isn't stupid. He would KNOW Goku or Piccolo or Tien would do something as he started to lay waste to a city. He probably felt like whatever attack they did to him would have no effect. Clearly he was wrong.

 

[Papasmurf]

^He displayed no surprise at being knocked down and continued to act as though Goku's power wasn't beyond his expectations until he went Super Saiyan.

 

[kriss-]

Cell knew Vegeta was nearby and was caught off guard while firing an attack. Gohan saw Cell's beam coming and shielded Vegeta from it but was unable to defend. Remind me how these situations are different from the one you're describing.

Cell was suppressed. His durability would be as well. This means that attacks he can normally tank can probably kill him. Hence why Vegeta drew blood on Beerus, when, on normal conditions, no such thing would happen.

 

[kriss-]

So...#20 knows Goku is standing nearby, and because of that, he's automatically considered on-guard no matter what?

Real-life example: I show up to someone's house because their boyfriend has a knife and is threatening to kill everyone. Me and my partner round up the inhabitants, including the boyfriend who we keep in a separate room right next to the living room with the others. So I'm standing in the bedroom watching the boyfriend, my gun is drawn, and then I decide to turn and ask the girlfriend something. The boyfriend jumps up and punches me in the face, staggering me a bit. Was I on-guard for that attack just because I knew the guy was near me? I wouldn't consider myself on-guard, but I guess if you do, then we've got different definitions.

To be honest, Gero isn't stupid. He would KNOW Goku or Piccolo or Tien would do something as he started to lay waste to a city. He probably felt like whatever attack they did to him would have no effect. Clearly he was wrong.

Thank-you!

 

[Papasmurf]

Cell knew Vegeta was nearby and was caught off guard while firing an attack. Gohan saw Cell's beam coming and shielded Vegeta from it but was unable to defend. Remind me how these situations are different from the one you're describing.

Cell was suppressed. His durability would be as well. This means that attacks he can normally tank can probably kill him. Hence why Vegeta drew blood on Beerus, when, on normal conditions, no such thing would happen.

This Cell was suppressed. Now you're just strawmanning.

 

[Pyro]

Didn't Dodoria hear Gohan screaming at him before getting kicked away? Was Majin Boo deaf when Trunks came soaring at him?

 

[Papasmurf]

Didn't Dodoria hear Gohan screaming at him before getting kicked away? Was Majin Boo deaf when Trunks came soaring at him?

Precisely this.

I guess Piccolo must've been blind when Goku headbutted him as well since he literally saw him fly right at him.

 

[POOHEAD189]

^He displayed no surprise at being knocked down and continued to act as though Goku's power wasn't beyond his expectations until he went Super Saiyan.

Well he's an android. AT clearly wanted to make him seem unfazed by anything and to be a cold, heartless machine. He still figured their attack would not have stopped him from his goal of shooting lazers, which it did. He displayed no visible worry at least when Goku went SSJ. It was as the battle progressed that he started to get worried.

Didn't Dodoria hear Gohan screaming at him before getting kicked away? Was Majin Boo deaf when Trunks came soaring at him?

I think both opponents would be surprised. Probably even more from the screaming.

 

[kriss-]

Cell knew Vegeta was nearby and was caught off guard while firing an attack. Gohan saw Cell's beam coming and shielded Vegeta from it but was unable to defend. Remind me how these situations are different from the one you're describing.

Cell was suppressed. His durability would be as well. This means that attacks he can normally tank can probably kill him. Hence why Vegeta drew blood on Beerus, when, on normal conditions, no such thing would happen.

This Cell was suppressed. Now you're just strawmanning.

If Perfect Cell powered up to full power, everybody would know his true strength and wouldn't shit themselves when he does so at The Cell Games and goes through a myriad of various power increases before-hand.

In no friggen way is Cell NOT suppressed when he fought Vegeta SsjG2.

 

[kriss-]

Didn't Dodoria hear Gohan screaming at him before getting kicked away? Was Majin Boo deaf when Trunks came soaring at him?

Precisely this.

I guess Piccolo must've been blind when Goku headbutted him as well since he literally saw him fly right at him.

If you hear someone screaming in the distance, you look to find out what it is. It doesn't mean you instantly brace yourself.

 

[Papasmurf]

^He displayed no surprise at being knocked down and continued to act as though Goku's power wasn't beyond his expectations until he went Super Saiyan.

Well he's an android. AT clearly wanted to make him seem unfazed by anything and to be a cold, heartless machine. He still figured their attack would not have stopped him from his goal of shooting lazers, which it did. He displayed no visible worry at least when Goku went SSJ. It was as the battle progressed that he started to get worried.

But the crux of the matter is that he said nothing of Goku exceeding his predictions until he transformed. If the punch was within parameters that comment was well-placed, if not, it wouldn't have been. Gero also couldn't give two shits if his attack was stopped as he doesn't care for innocent bystanders either way. The fact that he doesn't say anything of Goku's power surpassing his predictions seals the deal.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

t0sh whilst i don't like some of the things u do

u still >>> p123

 

[Papasmurf]

If Perfect Cell powered up to full power, everybody would know his true strength and wouldn't shit themselves when he does so at The Cell Games and goes through a myriad of various power increases before-hand.

In no friggen way is Cell NOT suppressed when he fought Vegeta SsjG2.

Do you even know where the panel is from? This is at the climax of the Cell Games; SSJg2 Vegeta's fight with Perfect Cell has no bearing.

 

[kriss-]

Oh you meant when Super Perfect Cell was hit by Vegeta's blast. Cell was obviously not expecting that attack, hence why it slightly damaged him and gave Gohan an opening.

It may have also been a final flash blast, which provides Vegeta with a huge multiplication in addition to his power at The Cell Games. Hence why it affected Cell the way it did. The fact it didn't kill Cell is impressive nonetheless.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

Cell was suppressed. His durability would be as well. This means that attacks he can normally tank can probably kill him. Hence why Vegeta drew blood on Beerus, when, on normal conditions, no such thing would happen.

This Cell was suppressed. Now you're just strawmanning.

If Perfect Cell powered up to full power, everybody would know his true strength and wouldn't shit themselves when he does so at The Cell Games and goes through a myriad of various power increases before-hand.

In no friggen way is Cell NOT suppressed when he fought Vegeta SsjG2.

He's not talking about then. He's talking about Vegeta getting Cell to react during his beam struggle with Gohan.

 

[kriss-]

I just said that...

 

[Papasmurf]

The Final Flash would've been powerful enough to damage Cell even on-guard all things considered. I'm not even arguing an off-guard moment for that one.