Misc.

[Lightsworn]

Piccolo cannot sense Godly Ki as far as I know. I have Kaioshin > Piccolo based on feats, not that statement.

Wouldn't him saying Kaioshin is far stronger than himself a direct indication that he can sense his Ki? Don't some people argue that since he has Kami inside of him he was able to detect his godliness? That same reason can be said as to how he sensed his God Ki since he has Kami inside of him.

 

[p123]

Yea Kaioshin is tough to figure out. But I guess what made me lean towards Kaioshin being strong is thinking about the other Kaioshins.

Do you think they are all Base Saiyan power? Or closer to Gohan's power at the Z Sword.


I'm going to have South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin as beastly as possible personally, getting pretty close to Gohan's power at the Z Sword.

So, for me to have East Kaioshin so vastly weaker than the others, doesn't really feel right.



@ Lightsworn

No, all the sequence suggests is that Piccolo recognizes that Kaioshin is a godly being, not his power. Piccolo cannot sense godly ki according to Dragonball Super.

 

[Lightsworn]

What would make Kaioshin strong? The way the story is written makes it pretty clear that AT wanted him to be weak. There's no reason for him to be above Pocus, let alone the base Saiyans.

There is an uncontradicted statement that Kaioshin is far above Piccolo who is far stronger than base Saiyans. He also showed good resilience against Boo.

Vegeta base showed good resilience against a stronger Boo ( Chibi Boo).

A Boo who can likely sense Ki and can know how to hold back.

 

[Lightsworn]

No, all the sequence suggests is that Piccolo recognizes that Kaioshin is a godly being, not his power. Piccolo cannot sense godly ki according to Dragonball Super.

No one ever said Kaioshin gives off no Ki, just that they weren't able to estimate it. Piccolo literally saying he is far stronger than him has to with power obviously. Those are the words Toriyama wrote. No one contradicts him either. No one said "Woah Piccolo, how did you sense him? I can't sense any Ki from him!"

 

[p123]

Yea any durability shown from a Base Saiyan against a Super Saiyan 3 power is not really noteworthy. That's like saying Base Trunks is super durable because Super Buu didn't one shot him when he hit him.


Kaioshin is a God, so he has Godly Ki. No one was ever able to sense him.

 

[Lightsworn]

Yea any durability shown from a Base Saiyan against a Super Saiyan 3 power is not really noteworthy. That's like saying Base Trunks is super durable because Super Buu didn't one shot him when he hit him.


Kaioshin is a God, so he has Godly Ki. No one was ever able to sense him.

Super Boo can sense Ki, so he would know how to hold back to not kill his opponent. Kid Boo displayed this ability by not killing Hercule. You'd rather assume these guys took a beating without getting knocked out by an enemy hundreds of times stronger than themselves than to assume they held back?

 

[ahill1]

There is an uncontradicted statement that Kaioshin is far above Piccolo who is far stronger than base Saiyans. He also showed good resilience against Boo.

Vegeta base showed good resilience against a stronger Boo ( Chibi Boo).

A Boo who can likely sense Ki and can know how to hold back.

A Fat Boo whom was holding back. And there's no proof that Chibi Boo was holding back.

Hell, Trunks showed good resilience withstood a pinch from Super Boo... feats in Boo Saga are somehow inconsistents.

Piccolo >>> Base Saiyan >>> Kaioshin is the best way to go IMO.

 

[Lightsworn]

Vegeta base showed good resilience against a stronger Boo ( Chibi Boo).

A Boo who can likely sense Ki and can know how to hold back.

A Fat Boo whom was holding back. And there's no proof that Chibi Boo was holding back.

Hell, Trunks showed good resilience withstood a pinch from Super Boo... feats in Boo Saga are somehow inconsistents.

Piccolo >>> Base Saiyan >>> Kaioshin is the best way to go IMO.

It's more logical to assume they held back than to assume they went all out. You also think he went all out against Hercule? After sensing how weak Base Vegeta was compared to Ssj3 Goku or even his Vegeta's previous Ssj2 power that he just used that he would still attack at full power? Super Boo can sense how weak base Trunks is but still decided to attack at full power? I'd rather believe these guys held back than to assume "inconsistency'

 

[ahill1]

No, all the sequence suggests is that Piccolo recognizes that Kaioshin is a godly being, not his power. Piccolo cannot sense godly ki according to Dragonball Super.

No one ever said Kaioshin gives off no Ki, just that they weren't able to estimate it. Piccolo literally saying he is far stronger than him has to with power obviously. Those are the words Toriyama wrote. No one contradicts him either. No one said "Woah Piccolo, how did you sense him? I can't sense any Ki from him!"

Piccolo in no time said: "Wow, what Ki"; all he said was that he didn't know why he was so inhibited before Kaioshin. This has nothing to do with power. Piccolo has not entered in the tournament only to give up because he wasn't the strongest in it.

 

[p123]

I don't know if Kid Buu can sense ki.

 

[Six Trails]

I used to agree about Piccolo > Kaioshin, but there's really no reason to use a line that in every instance before it has referred to power the one time you don't want it to refer to power. Even VIZ's wording has been used to express a gap in power.

 

[ahill1]

A Boo who can likely sense Ki and can know how to hold back.

A Fat Boo whom was holding back. And there's no proof that Chibi Boo was holding back.

Hell, Trunks showed good resilience withstood a pinch from Super Boo... feats in Boo Saga are somehow inconsistents.

Piccolo >>> Base Saiyan >>> Kaioshin is the best way to go IMO.

It's more logical to assume they held back than to assume they went all out. You also think he went all out against Hercule? After sensing how weak Base Vegeta was compared to Ssj3 Goku or even his Vegeta's previous Ssj2 power that he just used that he would still attack at full power? Super Boo can sense how weak base Trunks is but still decided to attack at full power? I'd rather believe these guys held back than to assume "inconsistency'

Not, it's more logical to assume that feats are not so consistent:

Semi Cell one shot #16;

Future Trunks ( 3 years after Cell Games ) did not one shot Imperfect Cell ( Pre Humans abosrptions );

By this logic Semi Cell is stronger than Future Trunks SSJ ( 3 years aftter Cell Games ), what is not true.

Feats are not always reliable.

 

[Lightsworn]

A Fat Boo whom was holding back. And there's no proof that Chibi Boo was holding back.

Hell, Trunks showed good resilience withstood a pinch from Super Boo... feats in Boo Saga are somehow inconsistents.

Piccolo >>> Base Saiyan >>> Kaioshin is the best way to go IMO.

It's more logical to assume they held back than to assume they went all out. You also think he went all out against Hercule? After sensing how weak Base Vegeta was compared to Ssj3 Goku or even his Vegeta's previous Ssj2 power that he just used that he would still attack at full power? Super Boo can sense how weak base Trunks is but still decided to attack at full power? I'd rather believe these guys held back than to assume "inconsistency'

Not, it's more logical to assume that feats are not so consistent:

Semi Cell one shot #16;

Future Trunks ( 3 years after Cell Games ) did not one shot Imperfect Cell ( Pre Humans abosrptions );

By this logic Semi Cell is stronger than Future Trunks SSJ ( 3 years aftter Cell Games ), what is not true.

Feats are not always reliable.

Again, Trunks can sense Ki, he can hold back if he wants to.

 

[Lightsworn]

I don't know if Kid Buu can sense ki.

Actually now that I think about it, I'm not sure either. What is Boo doing in this panel? It appears as if he senses them.

 

[ahill1]

It's more logical to assume they held back than to assume they went all out. You also think he went all out against Hercule? After sensing how weak Base Vegeta was compared to Ssj3 Goku or even his Vegeta's previous Ssj2 power that he just used that he would still attack at full power? Super Boo can sense how weak base Trunks is but still decided to attack at full power? I'd rather believe these guys held back than to assume "inconsistency'

Not, it's more logical to assume that feats are not so consistent:

Semi Cell one shot #16;

Future Trunks ( 3 years after Cell Games ) did not one shot Imperfect Cell ( Pre Humans abosrptions );

By this logic Semi Cell is stronger than Future Trunks SSJ ( 3 years aftter Cell Games ), what is not true.

Feats are not always reliable.

Again, Trunks can sense Ki, he can hold back if he wants to.

Lol that's your only argument? Now answer: Why Future Trunks would hold back against Imperfect Cell? He wants at all costs to prevent Cell take your time machine and go back to the past ... it's obvious that he wanted to rid the Cell as fast as he could, as he did with the Androids and Freeza lol.

Feats are not always reliable.

 

[SSJ2]

I used to agree about Piccolo > Kaioshin, but there's really no reason to use a line that in every instance before it has referred to power the one time you don't want it to refer to power. Even VIZ's wording has been used to express a gap in power.

It's not the fact that I don't want to use the line, it's that the line is impossible to use. Since Piccolo can't sense him, it holds no merit.

 

[ahill1]

Why Piccolo surrendered? Because Kaioshin is stronger than he is? If so Piccolo is a coward and should not even have been in the tournament since he knew that Goku and Gohan would participate.

 

[p123]

Piccolo cannot sense Kaioshin, period.

Kid Buu cannot sense a Super Saiyan level of power from that distance. He does not use IT he uses Kibito's technique.

 

[ahill1]

What p123 siad.

 

[Six Trails]

Where is it stated Piccolo can't sense Kaioshin?