Rage Boost

[SSJ2]

Time for this to end.

Goku literally tells Vegeta, "I'm going to end this quickly, at full power", implying that he figured that his SSJ2 would be enough to quickly stop Vegeta. If SSJ Vegeta = SSJ Goku, then Goku would know that their SSJ2 forms would be equal as well. He had no clue that Vegeta had SSj2.

To add to this, Goku looks disappointed when Vegeta does turn SSJ2, and only then he realizes that he won't be able to finish it quickly.

Spare me some dignity and tell me there is a problem with this logic. Doesn't that imply somewhere that Goku accepts the fact that SSJ Vegeta > SSJ2 Teen Gohan, based off Vegeta's statements?

There is a problem with every viewpoint when it comes to the Boo arc, it is finding the one with the least amount of flaws that is important.

A retcon of the Budokai is unfortunately what makes the most sense.

• Gohan turns Super Saiyan 2 against Kibito at will, and with no rage. Later he cannot do the same against Dabra.
  
• Vegeta calls Gohan trash after seeing him use SSJ2 at the Budokai, and says that his own power surpasses Gohan. Goku is then surprised that Vegeta has SSj2.

It seems to me as though Toriyama forgot that Gohan had used the form at the Budokai.

 

[p123]

Yea it seems to be the best option.

 

[SSJ2]

If we simply forget about Gohan turning SSJ2 at the budokai, every other statement makes perfect sense.

If we try to hold onto it, then that is where conflict between statements begins.

 

[p123]

So Ssj Goku was suppressed when Badibi took a reading of him?

 

[Southern Gothic]

If we simply forget about Gohan turning SSJ2 at the budokai, every other statement makes perfect sense.

If we try to hold onto it, then that is where conflict between statements begins.

Unless he was SSJ2 against Dabra.

 

[SSJ2]

So Ssj Goku was suppressed when Badibi took a reading of him?

Yeah. If burst SSJ2 Goku < SSJ2 Kid Gohan, it doesn't make sense for Goku to be at FP when in SSJ.

If we simply forget about Gohan turning SSJ2 at the budokai, every other statement makes perfect sense.

If we try to hold onto it, then that is where conflict between statements begins.

Unless he was SSJ2 against Dabra.

Which the art shows he is not.

 

[Southern Gothic]

So Ssj Goku was suppressed when Badibi took a reading of him?

Yeah. If burst SSJ2 Goku < SSJ2 Kid Gohan, it doesn't make sense for Goku to be at FP when in SSJ.

If we simply forget about Gohan turning SSJ2 at the budokai, every other statement makes perfect sense.

If we try to hold onto it, then that is where conflict between statements begins.

Unless he was SSJ2 against Dabra.

Which the art shows he is not.

But statements would conflict the art, no?

 

[SSJ2]

Why is he drawn differently in the same form?

 

[Lightsworn]

So Ssj Goku was suppressed when Badibi took a reading of him?

When Goku suppresses his Super Saiyan form his aura disappeares though.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Why is he drawn differently in the same form?

To convey his weakness, if I am forced to think artistically.

 

[SSJ2]

Why is he drawn differently in the same form?

To convey his weakness, if I am forced to think artistically.

He wasn't weak at the Budokai?

 

[p123]

Yea, Gohan only being a Ssj works for most cases.

 

[SSJ2]

So Ssj Goku was suppressed when Badibi took a reading of him?

When Goku suppresses his Super Saiyan form his aura disappeares though.

He had an aura as a suppressed SSJ2, so I don't think this stays consistent.

 

[p123]

The aura is meant to light up the room.

 

[Lightsworn]

At the Budokai he could've just had sparks to emphasize how his energy is significant to Boo's revival. It wasn't until where his power was to be put to use

 

[Lightsworn]

So Ssj Goku was suppressed when Badibi took a reading of him?

When Goku suppresses his Super Saiyan form his aura disappeares though.

He had an aura as a suppressed SSJ2, so I don't think this stays consistent.

I don't think Goku was suppressed.

 

[SSJ2]

At the Budokai he could've just had sparks to emphasize how his energy is significant to Boo's revival. It wasn't until where his power was to be put to use

This is just looking way too into it.

Every single SSJ2 in the manga, even 50% Kid Gohan had an aura. Gohan was basically depressed and thought the earth was done for, yet he had an aura. Now all of a sudden he loses it because he isn't important to the story? That doesn't make sense. I could argue that SSJ2 Goku is meant to look weak next to his SSJ3 form, yet they both have lightning.

 

[Lightsworn]

The aura is meant to light up the room.

Based on the Cell Games at least it seems an aura just doesn't appear at all when he's suppressed, probably less power less aura, more power more aura IMO

 

[SSJ2]

When Goku suppresses his Super Saiyan form his aura disappeares though.

He had an aura as a suppressed SSJ2, so I don't think this stays consistent.

I don't think Goku was suppressed.

But he only surpassed Gohan when he and Vegeta transformed. And he said he would use "full power" n Vegeta, implying it wasn't used before.

Unless he has mastery over SSJ2 and can control its multiplier, he had to be suppressed as a Super Saiyan.

 

[Lightsworn]

At the Budokai he could've just had sparks to emphasize how his energy is significant to Boo's revival. It wasn't until where his power was to be put to use

This is just looking way too into it.

Every single SSJ2 in the manga, even 50% Kid Gohan had an aura. Gohan was basically depressed and thought the earth was done for, yet he had an aura. Now all of a sudden he loses it because he isn't important to the story? That doesn't make sense. I could argue that SSJ2 Goku is meant to look weak next to his SSJ3 form, yet they both have lightning.

It's no different than why Cell has sparks and a sharp aura after his Zenkai. He is no Super Saiyan 2 and still displays those traits because it's meant to convey his strong ppwer, not somre transformation. Same with Nappa and Vegetto, to emphasize their power at the moment. The same reason why Piccolo has a Super Saiyan aura in the android arc despite not being being a Super Saiyan. It's to convey him as a Super Namekian. I don't have a problem having the same explanation for Gohan not having sparks.