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The example shows the distance he stretched his arm during the Wapol fight as being undeniably greater than that between the two ships.
So he'd stretch his arm holding onto the enemy's ship when that leaves his arm opened to cuts?
Which, if so, shouldn't have been relegated to offscreen growth. That's lazy writing.
Being relegated to off screen doesn't mean it won't be picked up again.
Which doesn't matter when it should've still taught him a lesson, yet didn't.
When those restless actions didn't have that much of an impact on the outcome of most of Luffy's battles, I can't blame him for operating that way. I dislike it though, yeah.
Introducing new information in such a manner rather than a more linear approach without the proper set-up comes off as backtracking to fill in an obvious plot hole rather than a natural flow of events.
I don't see how. If it's picked up again and developed, going more in depth on what this new training bestowed him, I don't see how this reflects on the writing too much.
Gear 2nd wasn't suggested to have been that taxing on his body though. It wasn't until Gear 3rd that it his forms were noted to have a taxing nature on his lifespan. Whilst he did mitigate it after his training with Rayleigh, that was after utilising all branches of Haki to help control it. Gear 4th is already the all purpose form with a massive drawback, so its taxing nature being mitigated just by increasing his Busoshoku Haki comes off as a contrived explanation (assuming that even is the reason at all).
It doesn't matter if G2 isn't that taxing, the point is that it's still a taxing 'form' that seemed to be improved upon heavy usage. He seemed already more used to it on future occasions and while learning Haki may have softened its effect, maybe this new level of Haki that was being honed by Luffy also helps to mitigate the heavy usage of armament Haki that's the predicament of the G4... we shall see.
Super Saiyan was only a form that drained Ki quickly though, not one with absolutely debilitating effects on the body.
And it also had an effect on the user's lifespan, as pointed out by Elder Kaioshin. Goku also stated it causes a "restless feeling", so it wasn't easily maintained either.
That's the whole problem though. We've been constantly told about the consequences of using it, but we haven't even seen one slither of it since his battle with Doflamingo. We're meant to assume it will happen despite no indication of its taxing effects being emphasised ever since Dressrosa or had nods to the consequences, nor have we been given a thorough explanation on how Luffy managed to improve it so much.
Moreover, a taxing, flawed form is what can create tension each time a character uses it, much like how Goku using Kaio-ken was always treat as a big deal due to the consequences and provided an extra layer of tension. If you remove that without the proper build up and plot developments, then it just becomes cheap power creep.
I can agree with that, but looking from an in universe character perspective, it'd be wise of Luffy to try and overcome this weakness. I don't think it makes sense he wouldn't try to solve this issue when it puts him on such a predicament. And the burden of the state isn't the only way to raise tension, either... how come we felt tension in Luffy's fights prior to the achievement of the G2, in where he had no burden to his normal state?
 

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ahill1 said:
So he'd stretch his arm holding onto the enemy's ship when that leaves his arm opened to cuts?
He can cover his arms with Haki if need be and it doesn't seem to affect his stretching capabilities much, not to mention the fodder soldiers would have to get past Kid and Law first.

Being relegated to off screen doesn't mean it won't be picked up again.
It doesn't, but that's assuming it indeed gets explained. We got no explanation for him being able to spam Gear 4th against Cracker and Katakuri, so I hold out little hope for a coherent explanation when Oda's refused to give such thus far.

When those restless actions didn't have that much of an impact on the outcome of most of Luffy's battles, I can't blame him for operating that way. I dislike it though, yeah.
This in itself is the problem with his recklessness. Leaving aside the obvious of how he should've been taken a different approach ever since the timeskip after his reckless nature led to his crew being separated, him almost dying in Impel Down and being completely incapable of saving Ace, the plot ever since the timeskip has rewarded Luffy for making dumb risks without any rationale behind them.

I don't see how. If it's picked up again and developed, going more in depth on what this new training bestowed him, I don't see how this reflects on the writing too much.
In the current situation, this can only be done as length flashbacks that would damage the pacing and come off as exposition rather than flowing in the natural manner that can come from more linear storytelling.

It doesn't matter if G2 isn't that taxing, the point is that it's still a taxing 'form' that seemed to be improved upon heavy usage. He seemed already more used to it on future occasions and while learning Haki may have softened its effect, maybe this new level of Haki that was being honed by Luffy also helps to mitigate the heavy usage of armament Haki that's the predicament of the G4... we shall see.
That in itself is a problem. Luffy's casual usage of Gear 2nd later on was excused by having 2 years to learn and train his Haki and, even then, Gear 4th was an experimental form that was still heavily flawed. For all that you're assuming to happen, Luffy would need to have improved his Haki far more in just a few days with Hyogoro than he did from several months with Rayleigh. Regardless that this is likely the route the story is going down, doing so comes off as heavily inconsistent when the training of someone far more powerful and with more worldly experience that is the Pirate King's first mate should be far more beneficial than an out of shape samurai who's never been outside of Wano.

And it also had an effect on the user's lifespan, as pointed out by Elder Kaioshin. Goku also stated it causes a "restless feeling", so it wasn't easily maintained either.
These aspects are still minimal compared to the drain Gears 3rd and 4th provide. Moreover, it's fairly arguable if Elder Kaioshin was even speaking of just regular Super Saiyan when he seems to not distinguish between the forms during the arc and would have been able to sense SS3, which was the only real benchmark he had to go on beyond viewing Gotenks' uses of the forms.

I can agree with that, but looking from an in universe character perspective, it'd be wise of Luffy to try and overcome this weakness. I don't think it makes sense he wouldn't try to solve this issue when it puts him on such a predicament.
I'd agree in concept. The problem is with Oda's execution of it. Choosing to forego the more linear route of showing Luffy's progression and instead skipping to the results whilst leaving the explanation for later is a very bad way of presenting the results of training as it causes the results to take precedence over the steps needed to get there and makes them feel less earned.

And the burden of the state isn't the only way to raise tension, either... how come we felt tension in Luffy's fights prior to the achievement of the G2, in where he had no burden to his normal state?
It's not the only way, but it is one that adds to the situation. Gear 2nd had tension in its use against Lucci, but it was at the end of the fight and after that in which the unbelievable plot armour of the Straw Hats that can give them nigh-infinite stamina when the plot requires it gradually sapped away any tension to be found in Luffy taking on a difficult opponent when he always seems to pull through. The Katakuri fight was the perfect example of how immersion breaking Luffy's plot armour has made any sense of tension in the fights he's involved in.
The exception to the rule was Sabaody/Marineford, but the problem is how the events after it shifted back to the status-quo. Tension would remain if this had served as a tonal shift for the series, but in not doing so and with what's happened since, it's become difficult to take any sort of difficult situation Luffy faces with any sense of doubt in his chances.
 

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Ahill why are you denying that Base Luffy travelled from the Sunny to the Beasts Pirates ship when it is literally shown to us. Where are you seeing him using G4 to fly across? He clearly transforms after he landed on the ship. And its implied that he travelled that distance incredibly quickly. He arrived at the same time that Law did, and Law can teleport. Stop overthinking this.
 

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Ah, so now Jinbe returns at the perfect time to protect the fleet. Oda is getting too predictable with his writing.
 

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Next, we'll have the Minks and the Straw Hat Grand Fleet showing up at the perfect opportunity, because what is this arc if not something founded on plot conveniences? :troll2

Also, Momonosuke capture has turned this into yet another rescue arc just after we had Whole Cake Island. How refreshing and innovative Oda's writing style is. :alex2
 

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Roger and Rayleigh will show up next chapter.
 

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Ghost of WB is going to haunt Kaido and Luffys going to sneak in for the kill.
 

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Ghost of WB is going to haunt Kaido and Luffys going to sneak in for the kill.

Whitebeard doesn't have a ghost. Nobody dies in One Piece.
 

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Yeah. Other than the reveal that Kaido has a son, there was nothing of worth. The worst part would be how the gatekeepers of Onigashima are so weak even Brook can OHKO one of them. Either Kaido's incompetent enough to deploy his lowest tier soldiers to defend the gates or the integrity of the Yonko crews are being tarnished yet again with him having nobody better to fill the post. Even assuming he wanted to conserve his better troops for the deeper areas, leaving one of his stronger and more competent individuals to command the gates would make it less likely his crew would suffer unnecessary casualties. Even Big Mom had the sense to deploy Cracker somewhere relatively distant from her castle.
 

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I may have gotten the informations mixed up, but how was Kinemon so worried and resigned upon knowing their plans leaked due to Kanjuro if he came up with all that fancy and clever plan?
 

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What? It was revealed that he misinterpreted his own plan and simply got lucky.
 

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Reading 978 now.

So at the entrance to Onigashima there is an enormous sword buried in the ground. It must've been used by a giant at some point. Everything seems super sized. The fleet of ships look minuscule in comparison to almost anything on land. Could just be Oda being terrible with sizing.


And finished the chapter. This turned out to be another complete waste of time. Oda could have taken the time to show off more of Onigashima, but decided to spend half the chapter reintroducing every faction of Kaido's crew. Stupid.
 

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As always, Kaido's watchmen show expert security skills by just shrugging off seeing a fleet of ships and pay the price. We are all lucky to see Galaxy Brain Kaido employing his most competent men for security.

Kinemon's plan of using disguises seems pretty poor. It's decent in premise, but none of the group have their faces masked despite wanted posters and combat with Kaido and Big Mom's crew making almost everyone highly recognisable. I've seen Team Rocket pull off more convincing disguises. :cena

Rest of the chapter is just wasting time taking so long in introducing the Tobi Roppo. Drake's role could prove interesting in having such a position when he's a Marine informant, though it also brings into question the competence of the Beast Pirates (as though a hundred different things didn't already) in this spy being able to move up the ranks in the span of 2 years. Also, Page One is amongst them, who we've seen be at a disadvantage against Raid Suit Sanji. Either Raid Suit Sanji is a lot stronger than we thought or the supposed strongest members of the Headliners are far less impressive than we thought.
 

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Where the hell were the Big Mom pirates? Not a single one was seen in this chapter.
 

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Queen mentions them when shouting out the groups present in that panel where Orochi is shown. Seems Oda couldn't be bothered showing them since showing the six jobbers was faaar more important. :troll
 

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Kaido's son The bald underworld dealer hasn't made an appearance yet either. Enough with the theatrics and get on with the war.
 

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So Oda's already back with the weekly chapters. I honestly thought they'd polong it more due to the situation at hand, but not. Oda deserves a big break.

Anyway, gonna read it soon and comment.
 

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A lot of work in the manga industry is still done through faxing the pages and Jump have been working on having people read or buy their manga through digital apps over the last couple of years, so it makes sense why the schedule is still able to continue despite Corona.
 

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